tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post1490191409412515131..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Castle Keepers Guide Released At LastJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-91360916070372347092011-01-05T17:57:46.094-05:002011-01-05T17:57:46.094-05:00[i]It credits the 3E SRD in the copyright notice[/...[i]It credits the 3E SRD in the copyright notice[/i] As does Mutants and Masterminds and True 20 and they are [sarcasm]such clones of 3e[/scarasm].Chris Negeleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258767667858555990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-6266036997575735672010-12-29T17:11:49.570-05:002010-12-29T17:11:49.570-05:00It credits the 3E SRD in the copyright notice. Cla...<i>It credits the 3E SRD in the copyright notice. Class names are the same. Equipment lists have matching prices. Spell summaries are copy-pasted. Armor AC bonuses are the same. Etc.</i><br /><br>Delta pretty much nails it here. I certainly can understand the impatience with the notion that C&C plays at all like 3e, but it cribs far more heavily from 3e than do any of the clones. Likewise, the SIEGE Engine, while different from the D20 mechanic, is nevertheless universally applicable, something I consider a hallmark of WotC <i>D&D</i> rather than earlier editions.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-34482706446738737942010-12-29T11:27:33.677-05:002010-12-29T11:27:33.677-05:00I hereby become the 5th (?) commenter to note that...I hereby become the 5th (?) commenter to note that C&C mostly made me appreciate a different earlier version of D&D. In my case, I decided to use the B/X books for monsters until the C&C monster book came out. I ended up running an entire B/X campaign in the Birthright setting and moving on to my own design.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-32510974893215882452010-12-29T10:35:12.038-05:002010-12-29T10:35:12.038-05:00It exists. I got the digest version in the mail M...It exists. I got the digest version in the mail Monday. Haven't been able to read much yet tho.Jacob Kipferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12667523841126691367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-28704011545187697622010-12-29T07:49:43.129-05:002010-12-29T07:49:43.129-05:00It was long due! The parts in the CKG which were m...It was long due! The parts in the CKG which were missing from C&C are the things I like most in BECMI and AD&D (namely: the name-level options, siege warfare, hirelings, morale etc.) I will give this a look; but I hope they solve their editing problems (I already spotted a typo in the table of contents.)Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258180992723371727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-25714460200622931262010-12-28T23:33:53.858-05:002010-12-28T23:33:53.858-05:00"But why-oh-why does everyone insist on perpe..."But why-oh-why does everyone insist on perpetuating the fallacy that C&C is a simplified 3e??? This is absolutely not the case!"<br /><br />It credits the 3E SRD in the copyright notice. Class names are the same. Equipment lists have matching prices. Spell summaries are copy-pasted. Armor AC bonuses are the same. Etc.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-60390073745427819092010-12-28T22:23:21.642-05:002010-12-28T22:23:21.642-05:00I had the same experience with C&C, and still ...I had the same experience with C&C, and still enjoy the game even though I finally drifted over to S&W. I might pick the CKG up for old time's sake.John Matthew Staterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02310914386482078369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-4156518031551620652010-12-28T19:45:01.295-05:002010-12-28T19:45:01.295-05:00I'm pretty ambivalent towards C&C. I had ...I'm pretty ambivalent towards C&C. I had the books for a while, played the game for a little bit, and found that in the end it just wasn't as much to my liking as AD&D 2e or Classic D&D. But why-oh-why does everyone insist on perpetuating the fallacy that C&C is a simplified 3e??? This is absolutely not the case! The SIEGE mechanic is not the d20 mechanic, the classes and spells resemble AD&D more than anything else, and the combat mechanic looks (if anything) like a streamlined Basic D&D. C&C has nothing at all in common with the d20 system, except for the utterly superficial fact that it uses ascending AC and a to-hit bonus (but not the *same* AC table and attack bonus charts as 3e!). So... yeah. Some myths just make me ranty.John Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06522143715905888511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-34038174855545281032010-12-28T19:34:10.953-05:002010-12-28T19:34:10.953-05:00Okay, first I ♥ me some Castles & Crusades, b...Okay, first I ♥ me some <i>Castles & Crusades</i>, boy. And I like to run it, and i like to play it, and it did for me much what it did for the rest of ya as far as pointing back to OD&D.<br /><br />Still, I do continue to play <i>C&C</i>, when I actually get a chance. I call it "The Rosetta Stone of D&D" (although TLG modified my compliment a bit), because it allows me to jam any damn crazy D&D thing I want to from any crazy damn edition, and it does so without squawking. <br /><br />So, yeah, I'm getting one, to be used as it was intended.Dr Rotwanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16750632906878388570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21346488172011999362010-12-28T17:03:45.225-05:002010-12-28T17:03:45.225-05:00Well, Dang... some of what they have in there soun...Well, Dang... some of what they have in there sounds a LOT like what I'm furiously writing right now for the Adventures Dark and Deep GM toolkit. I guess I'll be forced to hold off getting a copy until I'm at least done with my first playtest version.Secular Transhumanisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16793034218287755156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53688505685683749122010-12-28T16:38:05.864-05:002010-12-28T16:38:05.864-05:00I find that, with many games, I don't so much ...I find that, with many games, I don't so much play it as much as I find a rule or angle that illuminates the games I *do* play. That goes for retro-clones as well as forge-y games. So I'll probably be taking a look at this, yes, even if I never play C&C.amp108https://www.blogger.com/profile/06730954482557756380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-69773572912766183552010-12-28T15:29:18.872-05:002010-12-28T15:29:18.872-05:00I've been grooving on the AD&D DMG; there&...I've been grooving on the AD&D DMG; there's stuff in there I haven't seen in any other edition. I am a big fan of C&C, and I do want to see what they did for the CKG, but oddly I might be prepared to run without it and just use the C&C player's guide and AD&D DMG, unless they've really brought something more useful or integrated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82895095427183704572010-12-28T14:31:41.803-05:002010-12-28T14:31:41.803-05:00My experience with C&C (as a gateway to redisc...My experience with C&C (as a gateway to rediscovering 'classic' D&D) was pretty similar.<br /><br />Still, I may have to check out the CKG, for the sake of curiosity if nothing else.Akrasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734103159691571156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-32013963415802104742010-12-28T14:05:37.438-05:002010-12-28T14:05:37.438-05:00I was impressed with C&C when I first saw it, ...I was impressed with C&C when I first saw it, though I'll probably never run it. Yet still, I may have to get this.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01254215329246851683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-66375193038738794002010-12-28T14:03:17.947-05:002010-12-28T14:03:17.947-05:00Damn, one more item for my Amazon wish list. The t...Damn, one more item for my Amazon wish list. The thing's getting nigh unmanageable.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00435243803003028117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-29754931072094375462010-12-28T13:55:45.289-05:002010-12-28T13:55:45.289-05:00Awesome. Can't wait to snag it.Awesome. Can't wait to snag it.Rachel Ghoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765944479141792643noreply@blogger.com