tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post3186463693045561583..comments2024-03-28T01:53:34.870-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: John Carter TrailerJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-7833096814854106242012-03-10T19:07:13.791-05:002012-03-10T19:07:13.791-05:00@John: nor are the Martians in this movie white.
...@John: nor are the Martians in this movie white.<br /><br />They're red in precisely the same way people on Earth can be.<br /><br />They're considerably darker red in tone than the human, wear red bodypaint (or they're tattoos), and follow a red banner.<br /><br />Thus, they're "red martians".Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334071256551332865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-8596286343724124022012-03-10T18:52:19.125-05:002012-03-10T18:52:19.125-05:00As someone who actually saw the movie- I liked it ...As someone who actually saw the movie- I liked it a lot.<br /><br />Some thoughts:<br /><br />Deja Thoris did indeed come across as incomparable. Hot, smart and not a wilting princess at all.<br /><br />The martians are MUCH redder than John Carter- he looks pale and they look like they have a very tan/borderline native american skin tone.<br /><br />Also, the Zodangans use blue banners, while the martians of Helium are, wait for it, the Red Martians.<br /><br />All in all, I liked it a lot.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334071256551332865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84542919750003012032011-12-07T08:40:27.320-05:002011-12-07T08:40:27.320-05:00To be frank, I don't think the Green Martians ...To be frank, I don't think the Green Martians look alien*enough.* They look more like cartoonish humans with extra arms, tusks and no noses than the fierce, monstrous alien race they should be.<br /><br />That and Dejah Thoris are my only real complaints about the film, though: everything else I'm happy to put up to different interpretations.Taranaichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02176999342965850175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-57238078415550783382011-12-03T11:24:27.980-05:002011-12-03T11:24:27.980-05:00Fast Company has an article about the John Carter ...Fast Company has an article about the John Carter trailer that appears to be interesting.<br /><br />http://www.fastcompany.com/pics/john-carter#1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-47050989616590612382011-12-03T11:24:19.307-05:002011-12-03T11:24:19.307-05:00@Chuck: She wasn't white either, though. It al...@Chuck: She wasn't white either, though. It always comes across as a little bit weird when Hollywood changes characters to be <i>white</i>.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07090296806321882601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-39060651011161512482011-12-03T05:44:50.350-05:002011-12-03T05:44:50.350-05:00re: malnourished Tharks.
They probably are malnou...re: malnourished Tharks.<br /><br />They probably are malnourished - they live in the desert on a dying planet.anarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-19530336049647463362011-12-03T05:40:57.410-05:002011-12-03T05:40:57.410-05:00re: incomparable.
Remember that when John Carter ...re: incomparable.<br /><br />Remember that when John Carter met Dejah Thoris he hadn't seen a human woman for quite a while, and indeed didn't know there were any on Mars.<br /><br />(I'm currently working on a verse version of <i>A Princess of Mars</i>, and a side-effect of that is that I'm bursting with fannish theories)anarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-40107459646465928902011-12-03T01:06:48.230-05:002011-12-03T01:06:48.230-05:00"White Earthlings are really more pinkish and..."White Earthlings are really more pinkish and Black Earthlings are mostly brownish, so how literal do we need to be about Martians?"<br /><br />This. We've called earthlings "red" and "yellow" for centuries.<br /><br />Ever seen a "redskin"? My grandmother was Seminole. I can assure you she was not red.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334071256551332865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-62430618133804912712011-12-02T18:24:35.666-05:002011-12-02T18:24:35.666-05:00Malnourished? Not a bit. They seem _alien_, as the...Malnourished? Not a bit. They seem _alien_, as they should. If they had more typically human proportions, it would make them seem more typically human. Not to mention that they are desert nomads who lead a very hard life. Lean and mean is the perfect look.<br /><br />In fact, I appreciate the fact that none of the characters, including JC, are beefed up for the sake of beefcake. JC is a superhuman on Barsoom, but he was pretty much Joe Averagephysique on Earth. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Disney to cast a bodybuilder in that role, but they didn't, a move that IMO shows admirable restraint and respect for the character.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11677895164302972957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-35926913340970297992011-12-02T16:50:46.639-05:002011-12-02T16:50:46.639-05:00I don't know. I think I've had "my&q...I don't know. I think I've had "my" Barsoom shaped too much by the Marvel Comics version; at the very least, Carter ought to have a cultured-looking proper haircut instead of wearing his hair all Conanish. And the Tharks do seem a bit malnourished, don't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-56421234054378653272011-12-02T07:46:24.113-05:002011-12-02T07:46:24.113-05:00@Ravenheart: Yeah, I wouldn't want the charact...@Ravenheart: Yeah, I wouldn't want the characters to be dressed skimpily. It should be everyone naked all the way, or not at all. Frazetta loincloths and bikinis are missing the point.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07090296806321882601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-80789632238984475332011-12-02T07:14:39.831-05:002011-12-02T07:14:39.831-05:00"Sure she looks sexy enough, but can she act?..."Sure she looks sexy enough, but can she act? Most models can't and the ones who have been given chances in lead rolls have fallen flat on their faces. It's not as easy as you think."<br /><br />Check out Modern Family.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-88628153805852237342011-12-02T04:29:08.843-05:002011-12-02T04:29:08.843-05:00I like it so far. Dejah is red enough for me, and ...I like it so far. Dejah is red enough for me, and I can understand why she is wearing that much clotches. I'm also happy that the green martians don't look like four-handed giant orcs.Tamás Illéshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415717108941674663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-28613006168449555842011-12-02T03:50:32.552-05:002011-12-02T03:50:32.552-05:00To be honest I was badly disappointed when I firs...To be honest I was badly disappointed when I first saw the "Martian" desert. I grew up in central Australia so I had a strong image of what a red desert can look like here on Earth - I expected that as a bare minimum for Barsoom (and totally didn't get it). But this trailer I didn't mind so much. The tharks were very cool, the airships likewise, and just as if not more important there was some snips of extremely promising dialog.<br />Can't wait to see this.charles mark fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13385121479729236749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-91563901527537137042011-12-01T23:57:05.647-05:002011-12-01T23:57:05.647-05:00It seems really computer-generated to me. I felt l...<i>It seems really computer-generated to me. I felt like I kept looking around to find something real on the sets.</i><br /><br />Really? The first trailer was accused of looking too much like the American SW (Utah to be exact) because the CG wasn't finished yet. To be honest, the setting is what appears LEAST computer generated to me.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997164906328234122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-39832226222458851622011-12-01T22:58:20.908-05:002011-12-01T22:58:20.908-05:00Well color me impressed. Maybe as a relative newco...Well color me impressed. Maybe as a relative newcomer to the series I'm less spoiled by Frazetta but I think the Dejah they got is definitely a fox and a half.<br /><br />Also that cover of Kashmir is really badass and I want a full length cover of it.Rachel Ghoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765944479141792643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84745022190801943132011-12-01T21:05:41.999-05:002011-12-01T21:05:41.999-05:00Like with the modern "Conan" I want to t...Like with the modern "Conan" I want to truly PUKE... IMO, Burrough's work was cinematic enough it should have been made 100% from him being a Civil War vet hiding from Indians on a bad gold hunt to the colorful splendor of Barsoom. And there have to be TONS of pretty, healthy/fit women to be a better Dejah Thoris.<br /><br /><br />I'm so sick and tired of all these things. The media money-men just buy out properties and then they regurgitate them, taking great care the "Story" is nothing and trying to make up for it by special effects. And Disney's the worst. If they had to face their own expansion on the "Copyright" laws... <br /><br /><br />Matter of fact, it WAS Disney that kept this out of theaters... From what I understand they kept the movie rights from at least the 70s to the 90s for an animated project but did nothing... <br /><br /><br />This is what we have in a world where monopoly laws aren't enforced. A few huge companies cooperate rather than compete. They block everything else from "Their" markets and when their bland sh-- doesn't even sell then scream for money from the government which it gets them as long as a bunch of propaganda threads are kept. (like drugs are bad, mmmkay? Show cops as always indestructible by civilians, etc.)Maxx Feralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17881272313345949546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-37766997764460911692011-12-01T21:02:08.778-05:002011-12-01T21:02:08.778-05:00The earlier trailer that included some scenes of C...The earlier trailer that included some scenes of Carter on Earth and the Peter Gabriel soundtrack made this look much more interesting to me- a little more mysterious and less afflicted by the hyperkinesis of most modern action films. Maybe I just find Kashmir less atmospheric having heard it more times.ComradeGnullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09210806450294521289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-61957823914849381022011-12-01T18:56:52.687-05:002011-12-01T18:56:52.687-05:00I'm not sure what one expects to see when the ...I'm not sure what one expects to see when the adjective "incomparable" is used... but whomever they had playing Dejah Thoris in that film looked mighty purty to me. Maybe if Burroughs had called her "The mighty purty Dejah Thoris"?<br /><br />I'm looking forward to it. Native Americans (whom the politically incorrect may call 'red men') don't really look 'red' to me either. I'm what a lot of people call a 'white' person but my skin really isn't 'white;' it is a sort of pinkish/beige color.Stefan Poaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192911890556534923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-5836926550147093862011-12-01T17:44:23.212-05:002011-12-01T17:44:23.212-05:00chief among them being that Dejah Thoris is neithe...<i>chief among them being that Dejah Thoris is neither red nor incomparable</i><br /><br />But does she still have eggs lying around on the roof of her palace waiting for John Carter to come around and fertilize? That's the most important question!<br /><br />(You can keep your Lovecraftian horrors from beyond time and space. The fact that Dejah Thoris laid eggs and John Carter thought this was worth only a passing mention creeped me out as a teenager.)Jerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10060430253113856206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-34537501600264539702011-12-01T17:30:42.403-05:002011-12-01T17:30:42.403-05:00Al said...
"Any opinions on another actress t...Al said...<br />"Any opinions on another actress that you think would better fill the "incomparable" characteristic of Dejah Thoris"<br /><br />Sure she looks sexy enough, but can she act? Most models can't and the ones who have been given chances in lead rolls have fallen flat on their faces. It's not as easy as you think.I.F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04345074915911014741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-2126106690092074512011-12-01T17:04:48.400-05:002011-12-01T17:04:48.400-05:00Looking at Dejah Thoris in the trailer, she would ...Looking at Dejah Thoris in the trailer, she would be "incomparable" to the typical earth woman of 19th Century America, who are wearing full-length dresses, hoop skirts and generally covered up and probably not wearing make-up.Greg Johnstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11309648175626829683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-19220538826201086952011-12-01T16:28:42.632-05:002011-12-01T16:28:42.632-05:00I'm only really dissapointed in the look of th...<i>I'm only really dissapointed in the look of the green martians (not fearsome looking enough, not tall enough). They look kind of like one of the lame aliens from the Phantom Menace pod race.</i><br /><br />I love the look of the tharks and can't express how glad I am that they aren't bulked up like Lou Ferigno. As to the Red Martians -- White Earthlings are really more pinkish and Black Earthlings are mostly brownish, so how literal do we need to be about Martians? If anything is the wrong color, it would be Mars itself, which I'd like to be genuinely red. And if that toadlike thing was meant to be Woola, then I'll be disappointed. But overall, I'm excited about what I've seen so far. I tend to be very cynical about this sort of thing, but if the trailers are to be believed, Disney might have nailed it for me.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11677895164302972957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-33074367490889298622011-12-01T16:18:54.091-05:002011-12-01T16:18:54.091-05:00"Any opinions on another actress that you thi..."Any opinions on another actress that you think would better fill the "incomparable" characteristic of Dejah Thoris"<br /><br />Sofia Vergara: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-omarjwrxeZc/TcrFjfOHHtI/AAAAAAAAAXI/gCxmw3xa7So/s1600/sofia-vergara-09-f.jpg<br /><br />Not that I mind the current Dejah.Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01682401446176099294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-25943053992187976852011-12-01T15:47:23.802-05:002011-12-01T15:47:23.802-05:00"...Oh, and I totally agree, Dejah ain't ..."...Oh, and I totally agree, Dejah ain't lookin' anywhere near my idea of "incomparable." Frazetta must've spoiled me..."<br /><br />And you can't expect something sexy from Disney. I am afraid we'll have to settle for "cute" for Dejah Thoris. Nothing incomparable (or princely either) there.Bhoritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240688745758454387noreply@blogger.com