tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post3700809994791085021..comments2024-03-29T07:58:31.156-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Two RPGs That Never WereJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-5710641446178834072011-08-09T09:47:44.257-04:002011-08-09T09:47:44.257-04:00About RIP, one should remember that TSR began publ...About RIP, one should remember that TSR began publishing a comic-book that was supposed to tie-in to the game (IIRC something like a four-part mini-serie). Got one or two issues after which my FLGS didn't get any other. Never knew if the run stopped or they just couldn't get the following issue.PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02107646427152677189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-88282447892395380852011-05-21T10:56:47.143-04:002011-05-21T10:56:47.143-04:00I remembered that Proton Fire came up once on the ...I remembered that Proton Fire came up once on the Acaeum. Mars <a href="http://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=65448#65448" rel="nofollow">found a 1985 TSR catalog</a> with a page on it that even lists four module titles:<br /><br />MX1 Planet Fall<br />MX2 Silent Thunder<br />MX3 Warbots Rising<br />MX4 Warbots Embattled<br /><br />The MX1-4 codes ended up being used instead for the Marvel Superheroes module series based on Days of Future Past.Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-76571040742898731742011-05-20T23:19:23.076-04:002011-05-20T23:19:23.076-04:00I actually agree that a freewheeling horror game i...<i>I actually agree that a freewheeling horror game in the vein of EC could work. I'm just not impressed with the mock-up for R.I.P., which looks amateurish and cheesy.</i> -- Our Host<br /><br /><br />You just described exactly why I like the ad. I would've purchased <i>RIP</i> in a heartbeat.Justin S. Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14881276106170920830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-80056138232049884742011-05-19T07:13:52.483-04:002011-05-19T07:13:52.483-04:00I remembered that we discussed Proton Fire on the ...I remembered that we discussed Proton Fire on the Acaeum about five years ago, and Mars reported that there's a 1985 TSR catalog with a page about it. It even lists the names of the first four planned modules:<br /><br />MX1 Planet Fall<br />MX2 Silent Thunder<br />MX3 Warbots Rising<br />MX4 Warbots Embattled<br /><br />http://www.acaeum.com/forum/about4298-20.html<br /><br />(The MX1-4 numbers were later used for the Marvel Superheroes Nightmares of Future Past module series).Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53564648280488994212011-05-18T17:24:52.325-04:002011-05-18T17:24:52.325-04:00Call me crazy, but I kind of like that 80's lo...<i>Call me crazy, but I kind of like that 80's looking ad. I think there's still room for a b-movie inspired game. Something that isn't quite as "serious" as Call of Cthulhu. A game that fits the EC Comics/ Tales from the Crypt niche.</i><br /><br>I actually agree that a freewheeling horror game in the vein of EC could work. I'm just not impressed with the mock-up for <i>R.I.P.</i>, which looks amateurish and cheesy.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-33844065166700793992011-05-18T17:23:31.483-04:002011-05-18T17:23:31.483-04:00Is it possible that Bill Slavicsek and Richard Bak...<i>Is it possible that Bill Slavicsek and Richard Baker had some knowledge of it?</i><br /><br>It's possible but unlikely, since I don't believe either of them was on staff at TSR at the time <i>Proton Fire</i> was being designed. Plus, ideas are cheap; I'm not sure Slavicsek or Baker would need to plunder <i>Proton Fire</i> for something like this.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-54178883169831882011-05-18T15:14:43.307-04:002011-05-18T15:14:43.307-04:00Tony, have you heard of Bloodshadows from WEG?Tony, have you heard of Bloodshadows from WEG?Voljahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08826776454392269862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-48038675198552488202011-05-18T08:25:40.365-04:002011-05-18T08:25:40.365-04:00Call me crazy, but I kind of like that 80's lo...Call me crazy, but I kind of like that 80's looking ad. I think there's still room for a b-movie inspired game. Something that isn't quite as "serious" as Call of Cthulhu. A game that fits the EC Comics/ Tales from the Crypt niche.tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970063276917823644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84060530439388558882011-05-18T07:23:56.850-04:002011-05-18T07:23:56.850-04:00In France, Kaballe was announced for years and was...In France, Kaballe was announced for years and was never published. The author gave me part of the manuscripts, but I was stolen later some of them. It was a class-based d30-only fantasy rpg.Nicolas Dessauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03010015806129652185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-52854563986839338992011-05-18T02:18:08.044-04:002011-05-18T02:18:08.044-04:00That Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium was by the L...That Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium was by the Last Unicorn Games folks (who were doing the Star Trek RPG at the time) and used the ICON ruleset (not to be confused with Steve Kenson's ICONS rpg).<br /><br />WotC put the remaining stock up for sale on their website after the con (limit 2 per household), where I picked mine up.<br /><br />As much as I remember Dune being released at that time, what I remember most was Decipher announcing they had the Star Trek rpg license at GenCon, which apparently was a surprise to the LUG folks who were there.<br /><br />Cue a few months later when Wizards cuts the LUG guys lose and lot of them go to work at Decipher, to put out the Star Trek RPG (and LotR).enrioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636796629074771307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-90227587977082160692011-05-17T21:59:53.244-04:002011-05-17T21:59:53.244-04:00The Proton Fire game sounds a lot like the racial ...The Proton Fire game sounds a lot like the racial history of the Mechalus race from Alternity. Is it possible that Bill Slavicsek and Richard Baker had some knowledge of it?2eDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09562222394843621495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-31722784469013518982011-05-17T21:23:52.449-04:002011-05-17T21:23:52.449-04:00GenCon 2000 was where Dune: Chronicles of the Impe...GenCon 2000 was where Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium was released, and was the only GenCon I've ever been to. As such, I was lucky enough to have a copy of the Dune RPG, and lament the fact that I never got any of the planned supplements for it.Reverend Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11957368852789992095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-72776925271683806462011-05-17T19:17:52.559-04:002011-05-17T19:17:52.559-04:00I heard rumors of a few advance copies flashed abo...<i>I heard rumors of a few advance copies flashed about at conventions, but nothing else. Anyone can clue me in on that?</i><br /><br />A very small number (was it 200?) of the Dune RPG (not d20, a different system) were distributed at one convention, but I can't recall which. They come up on eBay, and often go for quite a bit of money $100 - $200.metamorphosissigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163514061779555557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-67342894153095844002011-05-17T17:46:58.968-04:002011-05-17T17:46:58.968-04:00The vaporware rpg I lament the most is the Dune D2...The vaporware rpg I lament the most is the Dune D20 game which appeared in the official WOTC catalog around 2000, but never published. I heard rumors of a few advance copies flashed about at conventions, but nothing else. Anyone can clue me in on that?Voljahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08826776454392269862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-86243409343540709572011-05-17T17:15:36.770-04:002011-05-17T17:15:36.770-04:00I think what happened with these games was that TS...I think what happened with these games was that TSR decided to tie everything as close to D&D as possible. <br /><br />So RIP gets cancelled in favor of Ravenloft. Proton Fire in favor of Spelljammer. <br /><br />In other words, sell the customers different genres on the back of the 800 lb gorilla.Vigilancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302020918798504358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-18786955558013685712011-05-17T15:33:51.338-04:002011-05-17T15:33:51.338-04:00I actually asked Jim ward about these games on Dra...I actually asked Jim ward about these games on Dragonsfoot and he said there were flaws with the games. I'm surprised though that they would solicit or reference games and then cancel them.<br /><br />A friend of mine who had a Comics store in the early 90s actually showed me the catalog that had solicitations for RIP, so it was planned for a fall 1992 or 1993 release.JRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06028363896728357260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-75388118845583106382011-05-17T15:06:41.259-04:002011-05-17T15:06:41.259-04:00Interesting that Jim Ward came out with "Tain...Interesting that Jim Ward came out with "Tainted Lands" just a few years ago, an attempt at a horror type RPG. I wonder if anything from RIP made it down the mists of time to Tainted Lands?Badmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199830751033032585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-29234648103201361532011-05-17T14:52:02.907-04:002011-05-17T14:52:02.907-04:00Chris above is right. There was a series of TSR RI...Chris above is right. There was a series of TSR RIP comics released. I bought 3 or 4 way back when:<br /><br />http://www.comicvine.com/rip-comics-moduls/49-24536/<br /><br />Each comic also had a ready-to-play board game in the back, which was neat. RIP was one in a line of "TSR Comic Modules" and I recall one called Assassin and a Buck Rogers XXV too.Tim Sniderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17390608104314125626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-60785637449862503632011-05-17T13:52:37.025-04:002011-05-17T13:52:37.025-04:00I would love to see a manuscript for RIP - I wonde...I would love to see a manuscript for RIP - I wonder if they used anything from the Ravenloft campaign setting Realm of Terror boxed set that TSR released in 1990?Joe Bardaleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00242764968237965401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-50467802753232153742011-05-17T13:13:32.897-04:002011-05-17T13:13:32.897-04:00@kelvingreen:
Kinda:
Homer, Iliad 18. 371 ff (tr...@kelvingreen:<br /><br />Kinda:<br /><br />Homer, Iliad 18. 371 ff (trans. Lattimore) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) :<br />"[Hephaistos was] sweating as he turned here and there to his bellows busily, since he was working on twenty tripods which were to stand against the wall of his strong-founded dwelling. And he had set golden wheels underneath the base of each one so that of their own motion they could wheel into the immortal gathering, and return to his house: a wonder to look at..."Nilonimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631112372990712584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-29596368530088298932011-05-17T12:24:46.674-04:002011-05-17T12:24:46.674-04:00My knowledge of the classics has failed me; there ...My knowledge of the classics has failed me; there are robots in <i>The Illiad</i>?thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-44115200997165102812011-05-17T12:07:48.997-04:002011-05-17T12:07:48.997-04:00I actually like the name "Proton Fire." ...I actually like the name "Proton Fire." It has that delicious ring to it like "Lucky Starr" or "Battlestar Galactica." "Star Wars" doesn't excite me much as a name, considering around the same time I was playing an old raster-style video game called Spacewar! on my friend's Apple.<br /><br />I think Proton Fire (retooled a bit) probably would have made a good adventure. Not sure about a supplement, though, unless it had REALLY good advice on how to run and play. Even with 90 years of robots in literature (and longer, if you count mechanistic servants in "The Iliad" and Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein") I really don't have the foggiest idea how to run the thing and make it fun for very long. Maybe if you could find loopholes in the Three Laws...Eric R. Wirsinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04632409261940844934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53961533531807771962011-05-17T11:37:43.071-04:002011-05-17T11:37:43.071-04:00No longer were other companies aping its products;...<i>No longer were other companies aping its products; now, it was aping theirs.</i><br /><br />And now I'm having Spellfire flashbacks. ::shudder::<br /><br /><i>That's</i> when I truly knew TSR was in trouble--not just jumping on the CCG bandwagon, but using recycled art to boot.David Larkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133630988557116729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82848014094994790472011-05-17T11:20:06.019-04:002011-05-17T11:20:06.019-04:00I remember seeing a RIP comic book (maybe even 2) ...I remember seeing a RIP comic book (maybe even 2) under the TSR imprint.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07659814936232202831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-32282268655983578162011-05-17T11:18:13.773-04:002011-05-17T11:18:13.773-04:00"I was involved in a playtest of a new horror..."I was involved in a playtest of a new horror game at TSR's "West Coast HQ" on Sepulveda Blvd."<br /><br />Ah, that would explain it. We very often were kept out of the loop about things happening on the West Coast. Or maybe it's my failing memory.<br /><br />SteveStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11677895164302972957noreply@blogger.com