tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post4736776089987821358..comments2024-03-28T18:47:26.087-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Imagine Magazine: Issue #24James Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-61614435572023626622020-12-23T13:29:23.170-05:002020-12-23T13:29:23.170-05:00I'm a heretic, too.
Our wilderness forays we...I'm a heretic, too. <br /><br />Our wilderness forays were mostly the "Over and Back" varieties of reaching a distant destination, crawling-conquering-plundering, and running away. DM'd by older brothers, they were pretty dynamic in the vein of low-fires and manure dispersing to prevent tracking. Scaling per se, no. Suffering good or bad consequences based on preparation and execution, oh yes. <br /><br />"Camping with Girls" is what the older brothers called it. Better bring toilet paper. <br /><br />HuckSawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13381444935904172318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-75860119642521248632020-12-22T13:22:57.332-05:002020-12-22T13:22:57.332-05:00Interesting. Big EPT fan personally but I've ...Interesting. Big EPT fan personally but I've never read any Feist at all so this is the first I'd heard of this, but from what you describe I'd have been calling theft right quick. Di dhe at least have the decency to apologize to Barker while he was still alive and give him a cut of his sales?Dick McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521293874696659063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-87850856813463350792020-12-22T13:11:38.265-05:002020-12-22T13:11:38.265-05:00The borrowing are many: Tsurani/Tsolyáni, Yankora/...The borrowing are many: Tsurani/Tsolyáni, Yankora/Yán Kór, pantheon of exactly 20 gods, the lack of riding animals and scarcity of metal, the reclusive emperor, the insectoid Ch'oja/Pé Chói. These are all just off the top of my head; I haven't looked at Feist in a long time. Others more knowledgeable of his works could undoubtedly point out other elements of Tékumel that are present in the books.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-55915855757251619712020-12-22T12:24:27.706-05:002020-12-22T12:24:27.706-05:00like what?
to be honest, I only read Magician, a...like what? <br /><br />to be honest, I only read Magician, and a couple past that. Fantasy has dropped off my reading list, and Feist is clearly paid by the page, so I stopped following it.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872338936249305301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-25027017427449892162020-12-22T12:16:38.738-05:002020-12-22T12:16:38.738-05:00There's no doubt that Feist's works sold m...There's no doubt that Feist's works sold more than EPT ever has; I'm not sure that's the point, though. The aspects of Tékumel Feist reproduces are <i>very</i> specific ones, utterly unique to Tékumel, which is why, as I understand it, he later downplayed those elements in order to sidestep the issue of his borrowings. This goes far beyond <i>D&D</i>'s inclusion of hobbits or <i>Traveller</i>'s references to high and low passages.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-63654367352788683632020-12-22T11:21:08.459-05:002020-12-22T11:21:08.459-05:00"Good artists borrow, Great Artists Steal&quo..."Good artists borrow, Great Artists Steal" Picasso.<br /><br />I don't know how much you can complain about a fantasy novel taking from an RPG, since how much RPGs steal from fantasy novels. And Tekumel is pretty obscure, I had never heard of it until a few years ago, when I started to research the origins of the hobby. Feist's first book has sold more copies than ALL of EPT combinedRickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09872338936249305301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-35895905936836558802020-12-22T07:28:39.169-05:002020-12-22T07:28:39.169-05:00The story goes that Feist's GM introduced elem...The story goes that Feist's GM introduced elements from EPT into his campaign and never told anyone. When Feist later wrote his novels, he drew on that campaign for ideas and inadvertently borrowed from Tékumel. I'm skeptical of this explanation, as are many, but that's the story Feist tells. James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-62728078904212502852020-12-22T00:33:36.309-05:002020-12-22T00:33:36.309-05:00I noticed the comment about Raymond Feist and Téku...I noticed the comment about Raymond Feist and Tékumel... interesting since I recall the fantasy world of Feist's book(s) was apparently derived from the roleplaying campaign that also birthed the Midkemia Press series of "universal" fantasy rpg supplements like Cities, Carse and Tulan of the Isles. All the more reason to maybe read Magician someday. horroxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885881612576463470noreply@blogger.com