tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post6424947007666040078..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Forgotten Sutherland ArtJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-6044153756112242112011-02-16T09:36:21.140-05:002011-02-16T09:36:21.140-05:00Dammit, I want another copy of this now!
...bough...Dammit, I want another copy of this now!<br /><br />...bought mine back in 1977 in a going-out-of-business sale for $3 (Fan-Tac edition) and I have no idea what happened to it. Being into both D&D and Metamorphosis: Alpha I thought the rules for using those were SO cool.Pere Ubuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553973043509436168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53712670180475093902011-02-15T10:15:19.792-05:002011-02-15T10:15:19.792-05:00Now that's how Star Frontiers should of looked...Now that's how Star Frontiers should of looked like!Something that evokes a post gamma world setting,were humans and mutants were able to get of the planet and travel the stars.crowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066821931343968827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-32052055067750845302011-02-15T03:13:52.119-05:002011-02-15T03:13:52.119-05:00Thank you for these nice pictures. This brings ba...Thank you for these nice pictures. This brings back memories of the time when I was 14 or 15 and read through all the golden age space opera stuff. <br /><br />And I do remember the Master of Orion game and the Klackons therein very well. It would indeed be interesting if there are any connections to be found.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18100250855725061209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-25887139333407278832011-02-14T22:22:54.637-05:002011-02-14T22:22:54.637-05:00The author of Space Marines, Mark Ratner, was an o...<i>The author of Space Marines, Mark Ratner, was an original Lake Geneva Greyhawk campaign player: He played Ayelerach who was with Erac's cousin when he released the imprisoned Fraz-Urb-luu in the dungeons of Greyhawk.</i><br /><br>Now, that's pretty interesting. I thought the name Mark Ratner seemed familiar but I just couldn't place it. Thanks for making the connection!James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-42633596981033354852011-02-14T20:51:34.639-05:002011-02-14T20:51:34.639-05:00Just discovered that Finarvyn typed up that sectio...Just discovered that Finarvyn typed up that section on converting Space Marines to D&D:<br /><br />http://oldschooltrek.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=odnd&action=display&thread=207Zenopushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04423199583499955572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-7447969878434545322011-02-14T20:30:42.703-05:002011-02-14T20:30:42.703-05:00James, thanks for posting all of those interior pi...James, thanks for posting all of those interior pics! I too love DCS art & I've never seen them before.<br /><br />There's an earlier (1977) version of Space Marines published by FanTac with the second picture as the cover art. I spotted a copy on Ebay in 2006 and thought the cover looked like DCS (I bid but didn't win & have never seen another copy though I haven't searched regularly). I couldn't find anything on the net, so I asked at the Acaeum/DF & Mars helped me figure out that it was indeed a DCS.<br /><br />Here are the threads:<br />http://www.acaeum.com/forum/about4250.html<br />http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=18816<br /><br />Some interesting tidbits:<br />-DCS liked drawing mushrooms. See the large mushrooms by the Marine's foot in the second picture. See also the Metamorphosis Alpha and mono B1 covers.<br />-The author of Space Marines, Mark Ratner, was an original Lake Geneva Greyhawk campaign player: He played Ayelerach who was with Erac's cousin when he released the imprisoned Fraz-Urb-luu in the dungeons of Greyhawk.<br />-Here's an interview where Ratner discusses the relationship between Space Marines and Space Opera:<br />http://www.space-opera.org/GB/interviews/mark.htm <br />-The 1977 version had two sections on using "Space Marines in Dungeons and Dragons" and "Space Marines in Metamorphosis Alpha". These were taken out of the FGU version, presumably because they were TSR games.Zenopushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04423199583499955572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-30523743047724321712011-02-14T17:56:25.807-05:002011-02-14T17:56:25.807-05:00@Coldstream
"Is there any known connection be...@Coldstream<br />"Is there any known connection between the PC game and Space Marines/Space Opera? The similarities seem too close just to chalk up to random chance..."<br /><br />Totally! The default background for Space Opera is Space Marines, to the extent that a lot of stuff in SO is really obscure unless you're familiar with space marines.<br /><br />I'd like to think that SM is to SO as Chainmail is to D&D, but I suspect that it's just not as good a system. <br /><br />If FGU stiull has the rights to SM, I';d buy a pdf quicker than you can say coagulator.Invincible Overlordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11499224778426220577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-17979203610605349252011-02-14T17:42:14.682-05:002011-02-14T17:42:14.682-05:00Cool! Did he do the art for Starguard, Orilla, etc...Cool! Did he do the art for Starguard, Orilla, etc?phfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05500880186402356662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-13790576492179032122011-02-14T15:18:39.370-05:002011-02-14T15:18:39.370-05:00Very cool. Too often I think these guys only did m...Very cool. Too often I think these guys only did medieval fantasy art. Thanks for sharing these!Mike Bridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741591268012556455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-1189644038028826892011-02-14T14:27:34.633-05:002011-02-14T14:27:34.633-05:00Any fellow video-gamers out there remember the old...Any fellow video-gamers out there remember the old PC game Master of Orion (essentially Civilization in Space)? <br /><br />I recall it having several playable races including the insect-like Klackons (their actual name in the game), bird aliens, cat aliens, lizard aliens, aliens that had to live in mechanical exoskeletons, etc...<br /><br />Is there any known connection between the PC game and Space Marines/Space Opera? The similarities seem too close just to chalk up to random chance...Coldstreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16140235342917611032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82526616421032874462011-02-14T14:18:36.315-05:002011-02-14T14:18:36.315-05:00Thanks for sharing these! I love Sutherlands work...Thanks for sharing these! I love Sutherlands work and I totally agree with you. I think there is something in his sheer enthusiasm that just really comes through. His technical abilities might not have been up there with Tramp, but DCS III still could hold his own.Xyanthonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902260753434100101noreply@blogger.com