tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post6453603013584279657..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: When Kobolds were Jokes (and not Dragon Men)James Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-61065990946533831642008-06-27T13:16:00.000-04:002008-06-27T13:16:00.000-04:00I'm also a big fan of that full page Dee picture o...<I>I'm also a big fan of that full page Dee picture of the paladin who killed the dragon from Rogue's Gallery.</I><BR/><BR/>Me too. Dee, honestly, wasn't my favorite old school artist; he tended to look somewhat "comic book-y" and it sat poorly with me even as a kid. But he still produced a number of iconic pieces that really sum up what <I>D&D</I> was all about back in the day. That paladin standing on the corpse of the black dragon is one of them.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84622145051188932082008-06-27T13:14:00.000-04:002008-06-27T13:14:00.000-04:00Scaley dogs with tiny horns.Yep. If kobolds are no...<I>Scaley dogs with tiny horns.</I><BR/><BR/>Yep. If kobolds are no longer little scaly dog men, then <I>The Keep on the Borderlands</I> no longer works quite right, since rumors in the module distinguish between the kobolds and gnolls by calling one "little dog men" and the other "big dog men." If you can't play <I>Keep</I> -- the most primal of adventures -- without changes, something is wrong.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-63784979871620431022008-06-27T05:05:00.000-04:002008-06-27T05:05:00.000-04:00I never really liked kobolds until I saw that pict...I never really liked kobolds until I saw that picture. I'm also a big fan of that full page Dee picture of the paladin who killed the dragon from <I>Rogue's Gallery</I>.Robohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15830826332699427926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-14149227522959706192008-06-27T00:08:00.000-04:002008-06-27T00:08:00.000-04:00Huh,I'd never call Dee's figures androgynous. The...Huh,I'd never call Dee's figures androgynous. The men in his drawings do seem to puff out their chests a bit I suppose. His <A HREF="http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/art_jdee_ddgs.html" REL="nofollow">Deities & Demigods illustrations</A> certainly leave the gods' and goddess's genders in little doubt.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, in the V&V section I found a bit of proto dungeonpunk in the hero <A HREF="http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/pics/jeffdee/mace2.jpg" REL="nofollow">Mace</A>, ca. 1982 even. We can't really blame ole Jeff; he was illustrating a supers game after all!Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07615194097431562045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-87164620004708539662008-06-26T20:59:00.000-04:002008-06-26T20:59:00.000-04:00Dee's art is from before my time, but I find mysel...Dee's art is from before my time, but I find myself strangely attracted to the androgynous nature of his B&W characters. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes it is hard to tell the genders apart on first sight. I think we could speak volumes about this approach and the chainmail bikini or plate corset with boobs style that dungeonpunk has embraced.Edsanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11619248696115787815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-86922648942440133812008-06-26T18:06:00.000-04:002008-06-26T18:06:00.000-04:00Snarfquest was pretty fun, I remember. In hindsig...Snarfquest was pretty fun, I remember. In hindsight, it seems almost a bridge between the older style and his new wave for RPG art.<BR/><BR/>Dee's kobolds are how I picture kobolds even today. Scaley dogs with tiny horns.Jason Langloishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02507550527211520786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-88971923089131200212008-06-26T14:13:00.000-04:002008-06-26T14:13:00.000-04:00Not that Elmore wasn't capable of movement. I thin...Not that Elmore wasn't capable of movement. I think "Snarfquest" had a lot of the character and action that get associated with the older RPG illustrations.ligehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00652431558688176341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84921322812521174232008-06-26T13:40:00.000-04:002008-06-26T13:40:00.000-04:00More movement and 'animated-ness' in one Dee sketc...More movement and 'animated-ness' in one Dee sketch than in a pile of Elmore renderings.<BR/><BR/>- DougDoug Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08233615249302361280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-61353380307378623972008-06-26T11:48:00.000-04:002008-06-26T11:48:00.000-04:00This has always been one of my favorite pieces of ...This has always been one of my favorite pieces of art.Rogue Gameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677589366040436360noreply@blogger.com