tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post6699954036056476607..comments2024-03-29T00:32:33.920-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Lovecraftian PedantryJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-36882604774033959902011-09-02T15:41:12.104-04:002011-09-02T15:41:12.104-04:00"That is not dead that can eternally blog. B..."That is not dead that can eternally blog. But with really lame Google/blogger bugs even bloggers can die."Osskorreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408780872015323307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-28935763523922195712011-09-02T12:10:43.049-04:002011-09-02T12:10:43.049-04:00"In his house at Toronto, dead Grognard lies ..."In his house at Toronto, dead Grognard lies dreaming?"Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01254215329246851683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-78230360828128920002011-09-02T11:54:00.985-04:002011-09-02T11:54:00.985-04:00...Grognardia f'tagn!...Grognardia f'tagn!Osskorreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408780872015323307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-65235128678837774082011-09-01T13:14:02.995-04:002011-09-01T13:14:02.995-04:00Ia! Ia! Ia!Ia! Ia! Ia!Sir Yobgod Ababua the Handlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01880522667399635154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-5758110099007642252011-08-30T11:34:13.951-04:002011-08-30T11:34:13.951-04:00@ Anthony "I usually say it "Thoo-lyoo:&...@ Anthony "I usually say it "Thoo-lyoo:" the "C" is silent, as in "cthonic," "<br /><br />Just to try to out pedant the popular pedantry being proferred... "Cthonic" is actually spelled Chthonic (two 'h's in the Chth- part) which linguistically contribuites to the silent 'C' at the beginning.<br /><br />I always thought it would be fun to try and pronounce the name while belching after downing a pack of pop-rocks and half a bottle of champagne... but other than that I still pronounce it the incorrect "Cuh-THOOL-Hu" (the second 'L' is key!) just because that was the pronunciation that gave me shivers when I was 14.Osskorreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408780872015323307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-13190344867027783262011-08-27T20:38:50.047-04:002011-08-27T20:38:50.047-04:00I've always hated the "how is it pronounc...I've always hated the "how is it pronounced" question. "and heard the ominous syllables which can be rendered only as 'Cthulhu'" - if it's pronounced "Khlûl'-hloo," then the syllables can be rendered as "Khlûl'-hloo." If any letters were meant to be silent, then it could have been rendered without those letters. If the C is pronounced as K, it could have been rendered as a K; if it's pronounced as S, it could have been rendered as S. If it truly could only have been rendered "Cthulhu," then the C must be pronounced in a way that only C can be pronounced, the t and h must both be pronounced (but could be pronounced as in "the" or as in "fathead"), the l and h must both be pronounced, and neither u can be pronounced "uh" or "oo".Chris Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04691319018164612005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-71731290591553390242011-08-26T07:33:55.250-04:002011-08-26T07:33:55.250-04:00'HPL probably made up names by mashing syllabl...'HPL probably made up names by mashing syllables together and fudging it until it looks right'<br /><br />HPL went through considerable personal growth and change over the course of his life - this case seems to be a case in point. He probably started by mashing syllables, then put it aside for a few years, then came up with the "khlul-lu" approximation years later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-18116612486990392912011-08-26T00:58:29.482-04:002011-08-26T00:58:29.482-04:00I think this weirdness is on the author, HPL didn&...I think this weirdness is on the author, HPL didn't really make these names common, and that was certainly with intent. He isn't a philologist like Tolkien, HPL probably made up names by mashing syllables together and fudging it until it looks right, like the rest of us.noworkethichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02727022927512047275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21391373779389809492011-08-25T20:06:17.150-04:002011-08-25T20:06:17.150-04:00When I did an audio book recording of "Call o...When I did an audio book recording of "Call of Cthulhu" I made a point of pronouncing it in several different ways.Justin Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227895898395353754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-72361166645742935212011-08-25T19:15:53.805-04:002011-08-25T19:15:53.805-04:00"The actual sound -- as nearly as any human o..."The actual sound -- as nearly as any human organs could imitate it or human letters record it -- may be taken as something like Khlûl'-hloo"<br /><br />Then why put the "t" in there???<br /><br />Yes, I know it's spelled Cthulhu, but it's pronounced "Luxury Yacht".Fred C. Dobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00627436662913241416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-3258486099363529192011-08-25T16:23:52.475-04:002011-08-25T16:23:52.475-04:00The only thing saving this post from taking your u...The only thing saving this post from taking your usual Pedantry Blue Ribbon is the mention of the Lifetime Pedantry Achievement Award winner S.T. Joshi. Slyly played!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-13938179626513627392011-08-25T10:33:36.462-04:002011-08-25T10:33:36.462-04:00Booberry said: "I have a suspicion that HPL w...Booberry said: "I have a suspicion that HPL was pretty loose with blank stares."<br /><br />To me, this is very funny. :-)Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-29647225622903089212011-08-25T09:44:04.590-04:002011-08-25T09:44:04.590-04:00"BigFella said...
Koo koo kachu?"
I th..."BigFella said...<br />Koo koo kachu?"<br /><br /><br />I think the Beatles might have been on to something...By The Swordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16799389743529116360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-76011656260727030622011-08-25T06:51:29.167-04:002011-08-25T06:51:29.167-04:00@Spawn of Endra -
The pronunciation/spelling of F...@Spawn of Endra -<br /><br />The pronunciation/spelling of Fafhrd's name aside, and in the spirit of the original post (i.e., total pedantry) I feel compelled to point out that his companion is the "Gray" Mouser, not "Grey" Mouser. :)metamorphosissigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163514061779555557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21169845782019228102011-08-25T02:34:37.785-04:002011-08-25T02:34:37.785-04:00Hmm...Intersting. Mind you, it raises further que...Hmm...Intersting. Mind you, it raises further questions, but then some of his letters make me wonder if Lovecraft wasn't trolling with his answers.<br /><br />Alan De Smet-I generally agree with your sentiment, but come on. Dumbledore was no surprise. Heck, I called it the minute that tabloid reporter started publishing articles questioning if harry was spending too much time around him.<br /><br />The announcement wasn't exactly the big clue.Turkish Proverbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423061909797064886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-4348562888521054992011-08-24T20:58:09.668-04:002011-08-24T20:58:09.668-04:00Coldstream -- You are a genius.Coldstream -- You are a genius.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14398295844409607075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-89885865382163980552011-08-24T20:44:32.341-04:002011-08-24T20:44:32.341-04:00You like Ka-thul-hoo, I like Khlûl'-hloo...
Yo...You like Ka-thul-hoo, I like Khlûl'-hloo...<br />You like Yog-Soth-oth, I like Yog-Sot-hoth...<br />Ka-thul-hoo, Khlûl'-hloo<br />Yog-Soth-oth, Yog-Sot-hoth<br />Let's call the whole thing off...Coldstreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16140235342917611032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-62857303996276539902011-08-24T20:41:45.734-04:002011-08-24T20:41:45.734-04:00"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lye...<i>"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn dominoes."</i><br /><br />...which I understand translates to:<br /><br />"In his house at sunken R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu lies dreaming, wanting for the pizza guy."Victor Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05928494560036528653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-19649306259275530002011-08-24T19:07:31.973-04:002011-08-24T19:07:31.973-04:00We don't call Cthulhu.
Cthulhu Calls us.We don't call Cthulhu.<br />Cthulhu Calls us.Timothy Paul Schaeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279725399542404987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-23288644692575083772011-08-24T18:05:54.786-04:002011-08-24T18:05:54.786-04:00Wow. One hell of a non-issue IMO. I think because ...Wow. One hell of a non-issue IMO. I think because it has no bearing whatsover on what this Old One is, what it does, and how scary he is in a role playing game. If anything, Ca-thoo-loo (the way I pronounce it as a CoC GM or otherwise I guess) at least doesn't get as many laughs when you say it as pronouncing it "Ca-Haloo" or whatever that "proper pronunciation." But call him Kaloo kalay for all I care.<br /><br />And damn, as a GM I probably pronounced almost all the names wrong in my games. My games still kicked ass.<br /><br />James, I'm kind of thinking you probably would not like they way I pronounced Nuclear either, so I won't go there.Kevin Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14122665488285424578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82872571215168508272011-08-24T17:30:04.601-04:002011-08-24T17:30:04.601-04:00This truly is pedantic. :)
I usually say it "...This truly is pedantic. :)<br /><br />I usually say it "Thoo-lyoo:" the "C" is silent, as in "cthonic," the "u"s are long, and the "lh" in Portuguese fashion as "ly."* Although the good, old-fashioned "Kuh-thoo-loo" sneaks in there, too.<br /><br />*(Because of a summer intensive course in Portuguese taken many years ago.)Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01254215329246851683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-37849113029701702532011-08-24T17:04:01.742-04:002011-08-24T17:04:01.742-04:00Spawn of Endra,
Yes, it's from the beginning ...Spawn of Endra,<br /><br />Yes, it's from the beginning of "Lean Times in Lankhmar," where he implies that Mouser's "perverse" mispronunciation of Fafhrd as "Faferd" had caused a rift between the Twain. Of course, in the story "Ill Met in Lankhmar" (which was written later), Fafhrd says that his name is pronounced "Just Faf-erd." The only difference between the two is the hyphen, which I take to mean that there <i>is</i> a difference, one that is too subtle for most Lankhmarts to notice or perhaps to vocalize.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-7387081957655678802011-08-24T17:01:38.487-04:002011-08-24T17:01:38.487-04:00So why is Cthulhu spelled the way it is? If the na...So why is Cthulhu spelled the way it is? If the name sounds like Khlûl'-hloo surely you would write it down in the closest phonetic approximation. Why write it down as Cthulhu? Where's the 't' come into it? ...losing sanity here!Mallius Vanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017597212038657943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-64696565279575670872011-08-24T16:53:11.565-04:002011-08-24T16:53:11.565-04:00He'll always be "daddy" to me...
...He'll always be "daddy" to me...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />:)Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00323022731513484213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-37867746915329281582011-08-24T16:32:36.817-04:002011-08-24T16:32:36.817-04:00Hehe that's gonna get me a drink next Friday a...Hehe that's gonna get me a drink next Friday at the gameclub :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12270347372734873983noreply@blogger.com