tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post685694876327746354..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: The End of MRQ IIJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-34269475397067384152011-05-24T05:37:32.045-04:002011-05-24T05:37:32.045-04:00Speaking as an IP law lecturer: If Wayfarers is a ...Speaking as an IP law lecturer: If Wayfarers is a registered trade mark then there would definitely be a serious trade mark issue, infringement is very likely. If not, as seems most likely, there is still a potential issue, if I were Mongoose I'd use a different name.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173759805310975320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-64352076742983623442011-05-24T03:14:36.676-04:002011-05-24T03:14:36.676-04:00I have read the MRQII core rules and the basic boo...I have read the MRQII core rules and the basic book for the 2nd age Glorantha. The rules are a solid thing, in my opinion the best iteration of the RQ rules, and I could see myself using them. I could use the Finnish RQ, too, so, not sure if I'll buy the MRQII.<br /><br />The 2nd age Glorantha, on the other hand, is not so clear-cut. I own Glorantha products from over 20 years time-span,though not that comprehensively, but mostly the material seems to concentrate on the Dragon Pass area and the Lunar-Orlanthi conflict. There's nothing wrong with that, but it gets stale after a while. There are other products, for example the Maniria trading princes campaign, but I'd still like to see other cultures and possible campaigns.<br /><br />The 2nd age Glorantha setting at least provided a more world-spanning framework for the game. I thought it was a good thing. Even then, one of the detailed areas in the core Glorantha book was an area with Orlanthi barbarians, which felt quite a bit like saying "look, you can play Orlanthi even here!" Granted, they were (a bit) different from the 3rd age Orlantians, but in my opinion the space could̈́'ve been better used for Something Completely Different.<br /><br />So, I might buy MRQII and perhaps some supplements, but if I ever want to run a 2nd age Glorantha campaign, I can provide my own material for that. I think a lot of people, also at Mongoose, felt the same way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-80962295705398652582011-05-24T02:06:40.899-04:002011-05-24T02:06:40.899-04:00@Cord: there are many, many differences between AH...@Cord: there are many, many differences between AH RQ3 and MRQ2 - more than I could easily list in a brief blog comment. Chargen, skill use, combat, the various forms of magic - a lot has been modified and updated.<br /><br />I'd recommend checking out some reviews like (http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/14/14704.phtml) and (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_reviews.php?cPath=5353&products_id=78633) for more details.KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18374233546533225028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-75188600025761243692011-05-23T21:30:58.240-04:002011-05-23T21:30:58.240-04:00I'd love to see Mongoose open up MRQII. That i...<i>I'd love to see Mongoose open up MRQII. That is one of my biggest beefs with the rules.</i><br /><br />Amen, James.<br /><br />My take: http://runeunderwater.blogspot.com/2011/05/mrq2-rip.htmlSwordsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05144171573448751890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21584718957694223342011-05-23T21:03:32.866-04:002011-05-23T21:03:32.866-04:00Apparently there is a possibility that Mongoose co...<i>Apparently there is a possibility that Mongoose could make Wayfarer OGL. (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=47370&start=15). Opening the door - again - to 3rd party publishers.</i><br /><br>I'd love to see Mongoose open up MRQII. That is one of my biggest beefs with the rules.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-40576970365512668152011-05-23T21:02:50.487-04:002011-05-23T21:02:50.487-04:00I suspect that Mongoose will support 'Wayfarer...<i>I suspect that Mongoose will support 'Wayfarer' only to a minimal degree, mainly to prevent sales of their existing MRQII stock from becoming dead weight. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have much faith in Mongoose.</i><br /><br>Well, there's always <i>OpenQuest</i> ...James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-89798888239766224562011-05-23T20:22:37.666-04:002011-05-23T20:22:37.666-04:00I still have my copy of the AH RQ3 - is there any ...I still have my copy of the AH RQ3 - is there any significant difference between MRQII/Wayfinder and those rules?Cord the Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15768966473685556824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21804056677254931902011-05-23T16:23:39.463-04:002011-05-23T16:23:39.463-04:00I suspect that Mongoose will support 'Wayfarer...<i>I suspect that Mongoose will support 'Wayfarer' only to a minimal degree, mainly to prevent sales of their existing MRQII stock from becoming dead weight. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have much faith in Mongoose. <br /></i><br /><br />Apparently there is a possibility that Mongoose could make <i>Wayfarer</i> OGL. (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=47370&start=15). Opening the door - again - to 3rd party publishers.KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18374233546533225028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-27108428479685506462011-05-23T16:10:02.194-04:002011-05-23T16:10:02.194-04:00However, MRQII is a brilliant system. I strongly ...However, MRQII <i>is</i> a brilliant system. I strongly encourage people to check it out while it's still available in it's current form. The MRQII corebook is 'setting neutral' (for those of you who are not fans of Glorantha).<br /><br />I've been playing in a MRQII 'Young Kingdoms' (Elric) campaign over the past few months (with MRQII co-author Lawrence Whitaker as GM). If anyone is curious, the log for our campaign can be found here:<br />http://akraticwizardry.blogspot.com/2011/02/young-kingdoms-campaign-index.htmlAkrasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734103159691571156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-16670973687065344762011-05-23T16:07:17.581-04:002011-05-23T16:07:17.581-04:00While the MRQII system apparently will live on in ...While the MRQII system apparently will live on in the form of 'Wayfarer', I'm sceptical that Mongoose plans to support it very much. Matt Sprange made it clear that their focus will *not* be on this FRPG: <br />“RuneQuest has been an adventure in publishing fantasy, but we can only seek so much treasure at once. It is clear to us that Traveller, miniatures and our future board and card games are our strong suits. We’ll now channel more resources in these directions.” <br />I suspect that Mongoose will support 'Wayfarer' only to a minimal degree, mainly to prevent sales of their existing MRQII stock from becoming dead weight. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have much faith in Mongoose.Akrasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734103159691571156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-43059349744936330242011-05-23T15:14:01.287-04:002011-05-23T15:14:01.287-04:00I've found Gloranthan fandom to be more than a...I've found Gloranthan fandom to be more than a little bit insular, so I'm not that surprised. MGP was never loved by the Cult, and the devotees have their own high priest.<br /><br />*shrug*<br /><br />Personally I liked what 2nd age stuff I did see. I'd sick to death of hairy xenophobic barbarians in Sartar fighting of lunars.AndreasDavourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17170806742393291962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-5034604634711053612011-05-23T14:14:56.102-04:002011-05-23T14:14:56.102-04:00Runequest is dead! Long live Heroquest!
It's...<i>Runequest</i> is dead! Long live <i>Heroquest</i>!<br /><br />It's a pity, as Lawrence Whitaker did a sterling job of bringing <i>MRQ</i> into line with the official ideas of how Glorantha worked. But not surprising, as there is a lot of hostility amongst the Gloranthan fan community to anyone not using <i>Heroquest II</i> to roleplay in Glorantha. So with only a few grognards of the fan-base left (especially since the reboot of a franchise will always lose people who don't want to buy everything again and with the first edition <i>MRQ</i> being so atrociously produced), and little active support in the fan community any more, it's not surprising that the sales were anaemic.<br /><br />[And given that the licensing required that all Glorantha work product be reviewed for suitability by Issaries/Greg, it's not surprising that Mongoose feels better going it alone (especially since it also avoids having to pay a licence fee for each product that uses "Runequest" in the title).]Reverance Pavanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01217657347160811310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-87557281479436241782011-05-23T13:02:29.172-04:002011-05-23T13:02:29.172-04:00My reasons for never looking into MRQII had more t...My reasons for never looking into MRQII had more to do with the atrocious editing at Mongoose than a lack of interest in the Second Age (I liked RQI back in the day). Ditto for their take on Lankhmar. This is unlikely to change with the switch to <i>Wayfarer</i> (I too thought <i>Pathfinder</i> as soon as I read this). It's a shame they can't get their act together in that respect.metamorphosissigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18163514061779555557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-67532174500614531622011-05-23T12:07:34.954-04:002011-05-23T12:07:34.954-04:00I'm guessing those looking to play Gloranthan ...I'm guessing those looking to play Gloranthan games are largely RQ vets...who are likely to have a wealth of Gloranthan material to work from already.The Iron Goathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15839364742884404019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-57644629906371341422011-05-23T11:38:29.530-04:002011-05-23T11:38:29.530-04:00@KP:
Thanks, I might be interested in that after ...@KP:<br /><br />Thanks, I might be interested in that after all, just to have more options to slot into a game.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01254215329246851683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-73000048856349751362011-05-23T11:36:35.617-04:002011-05-23T11:36:35.617-04:00@Anthony: MRQ2 is a derivation of BRP that is '...@Anthony: MRQ2 is a derivation of BRP that is 'crunchier' than the BRP Gold Book and OpenQuest. It's a close descendant of Avalon Hill's Runequest 3, in terms of complexity.<br /><br />The major difference between the 3 rules sets is that MRQ2 has a detailed combat system that - while a little more complex - provides a lot of 'dramatic' potential.KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18374233546533225028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-92034074831165404772011-05-23T11:24:21.360-04:002011-05-23T11:24:21.360-04:00I might be interested in getting "Wayfarer,&q...I might be interested in getting "Wayfarer," if I didn't already have the Basic Roleplaying manual and the OpenQuest PDF. (Or are there major differences I'm not aware of?)Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01254215329246851683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84938254636619085122011-05-23T11:14:19.284-04:002011-05-23T11:14:19.284-04:00It's a relief to know that the game system wil...It's a relief to know that the game system will live on... which I consider to be one of the best for modelling Swords & Sorcery play.KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18374233546533225028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-11040641735184681822011-05-23T09:48:45.311-04:002011-05-23T09:48:45.311-04:00In the forums, Matt has said that the Glorantha bo...<i>In the forums, Matt has said that the Glorantha books had low sales.</i><br /><br>Then that pretty well explains it. If the Glorantha connection didn't translate into bigger sales numbers, then it's probably not worth maintaining, especially when Mongoose owns the MRQII rules system. I can't blame anyone for not caring about the Glorantha books; the Second Age was neither particularly compelling as fantasy nor what most Glorantha fans want out of the setting.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-73949574029334637192011-05-23T09:39:03.325-04:002011-05-23T09:39:03.325-04:00My first thought was "Pathfinder", like ...My first thought was "Pathfinder", like Michael mentions above. Although the Traveller angel could make sense ... hmmmm ... no, not to me. <br /><br />:-)<br /><br />/MMagnus Seterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976545976676117166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-11772804945862920412011-05-23T09:35:36.563-04:002011-05-23T09:35:36.563-04:00In the forums, Matt has said that the Glorantha bo...In the forums, Matt has said that the Glorantha books had low sales.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04732052814850525574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82915898017336107192011-05-23T09:19:12.763-04:002011-05-23T09:19:12.763-04:00I believe the name is meant to evoke Traveller, wh...I believe the name is meant to evoke <i>Traveller</i>, which has become Mongoose's generic sci-fi rules set.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-5419990199715908662011-05-23T09:16:31.644-04:002011-05-23T09:16:31.644-04:00My first instinct was that "Wayfarer" an...My first instinct was that "Wayfarer" and "Pathfinder" are not that far apart in meaning. That cannot be a coincidence.Michael Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217338828086458862noreply@blogger.com