tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post8783595478927525567..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: REVIEW: Advanced Edition CompanionJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-32556766045244373682010-02-10T08:24:42.905-05:002010-02-10T08:24:42.905-05:00I was actually hoping to see race-as-class write-u...I was actually hoping to see race-as-class write-ups for gnomes and (especially) half-orcs. I still hate what became of gomes from the 2e "tinker gnomes" onward and the 3e "half-orc berserkers" onward. Guess I'll need to dig up that Dragon article on class construction (issue 88 or so?).<br /><br />But I'm happy to see AD&D available in the LL format, without all the ballast from UA onward! I may not play but I like to know it's there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-42054214349940115662010-02-06T16:47:44.800-05:002010-02-06T16:47:44.800-05:00"Why find something that is like a game '..."Why find something that is like a game 'as we played it?' Just play AD&D the way you played it."<br /><br />The LL rules are available free. That's a plus.Will Mistrettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18403399118961902073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-74127791078081515822010-02-06T16:23:57.776-05:002010-02-06T16:23:57.776-05:00Why find something that is like a game "as we...<i>Why find something that is like a game "as we played it?" Just play AD&D the way you played it.</i><br /><br>That's fine if you and all your players still have your old <i>AD&D</i> books, but that's not the case for everyone. AEC is a great "emulator" add-on for LL and has the advantage of being available now. It's not intended as a replacement for <i>AD&D</i> for those who have and own those books, but it's a great substitute for those who do not.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-16690659322385170052010-02-06T16:21:19.055-05:002010-02-06T16:21:19.055-05:00Can I ask why the expressed disdain at their expen...<i>Can I ask why the expressed disdain at their expense?</i><br /><br>Lulu's shipping costs outside the US are highway robbery. That's my main reason for disliking it.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-72817820114044006562010-02-06T16:19:55.587-05:002010-02-06T16:19:55.587-05:00I still don't understand the concept of racial...<i>I still don't understand the concept of racial limit to classes.</i><br /><br>What's to understand? It's intended as a disincentive to play demihumans. While it's certainly not the only -- or even the best -- way to achieve this goal, it <i>does</i> achieve it in my experience.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-26907455295578910632010-02-06T09:38:42.750-05:002010-02-06T09:38:42.750-05:00Argh! Gonna have to buy this one after I buy LL.Argh! Gonna have to buy this one after I buy LL.Eldrad Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14292418521508905397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-30688429111586054452010-02-06T07:37:26.378-05:002010-02-06T07:37:26.378-05:00huzzah,
we have come full circle,
1st edition ro...huzzah,<br /><br />we have come full circle, <br />1st edition rocks <br />(except for that silly descending AC)<br /><br />NOW, I wonder if wizards is going to reboot AD&DClovis Cithoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18208194219083373456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-69934847881569564512010-02-05T23:41:50.128-05:002010-02-05T23:41:50.128-05:00*dude. He should totally do a t-shirt with Orcus d...*dude. He should totally do a t-shirt with Orcus driving a crazy Rat Fink-style hot rod. His wand could be the gear shift! I would buy that in a second...<br /><br /> Be great to see al the demons in one vehicle or another like Demogorgon in suped-up Camero or Juiblex in a garbage truck.crowkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03066821931343968827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-79358018107247890122010-02-05T19:12:30.981-05:002010-02-05T19:12:30.981-05:00I can hardly wait until my copy arrives from Lulu....I can hardly wait until my copy arrives from Lulu. Heck, I'll probably break down and get the PDF as well, just to look at it this weekend!Akrasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734103159691571156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-73839048104323150882010-02-05T17:23:24.911-05:002010-02-05T17:23:24.911-05:00This is a truly great product and one of the best ...This is a truly great product and one of the best things the OSR has produced. I've been running the free version for two sessions now (my new campaign started on January 3rd using the 1e PHB), and I'll be ordering a stack of the hardcovers on payday.<br /><br />I am particularly fond of Sean's illustrations. His style reminds me of a punk rock version of Ed "Big Daddy" Roth*. If Dan ever puts out a LL version of the Fiend Folio Sean Aaberg should illustrate the whole thing.<br /><br />*<i>dude. He should totally do a t-shirt with Orcus driving a crazy Rat Fink-style hot rod. His wand could be the gear shift! I would buy that in a second...</i>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00862556389958594140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21294384836673749392010-02-05T16:29:21.978-05:002010-02-05T16:29:21.978-05:00I hate to gush about this, as it undermines what l...<i>I hate to gush about this, as it undermines what little objectivity I might have on this subject, but I find it difficult to do otherwise.</i> Some things are gush-worthy.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786312855250456688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53990217325492330532010-02-05T14:59:02.778-05:002010-02-05T14:59:02.778-05:00@nextautumn - not sure a special character sheet i...@nextautumn - not sure a special character sheet is really needed but a free PDF version of an Advanced Character Sheet is available on Goblinoid's web site.Jeff W. Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172275785507310262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-35189908896572470582010-02-05T14:53:37.623-05:002010-02-05T14:53:37.623-05:00Does anyone know if there's an AEC character s...Does anyone know if there's an AEC character sheet? Or is that unnecessary?nextautumnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201978755112508204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-17292397087454489492010-02-05T14:18:16.720-05:002010-02-05T14:18:16.720-05:00Man, I got at least two copies of each 1st ed. boo...Man, I got at least two copies of each 1st ed. book, so I guess I'll be sticking with my own bastardized version of AD&D. Why find something that is like a game "as we played it?" Just play AD&D the way you played it.<br /><br />I mean, if I didn't have any of the old books and was playing LL, then I would love this. But that ain't the case. Still, I'm always happy to see more O.G. ("Original Gamer") stuff come out even if I will never buy/use it.Kevin Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14122665488285424578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-78851272434529867172010-02-05T14:00:23.598-05:002010-02-05T14:00:23.598-05:00@Tim: Thanks man. Yes, I haven't dropped by th...@Tim: Thanks man. Yes, I haven't dropped by the Eden boards in a long long time. As you know I got my first start publishing through Eden and the fan page I used to maintain. Wow, all the stuff that's gone on in my life since then makes it feel like a whole other life now.<br /><br />@Korgoth: Yep, that's the plan. It will take a few months for that to happen.Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82553440424333888062010-02-05T13:42:34.826-05:002010-02-05T13:42:34.826-05:00Is this going to be available at local game shops?...Is this going to be available at local game shops?Korgothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04683370654357044679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-6726619421649700282010-02-05T12:56:56.311-05:002010-02-05T12:56:56.311-05:00I have seen a lot of reviews for this in the last ...I have seen a lot of reviews for this in the last week. <br />And all of them good.<br /><br />I agree, it is not AD&D, but rather AD&D how we played it.<br /><br />Where was this product 27 years ago when I was trying to figure out how to play AD&D from the point of view of a D&D player??<br /><br />Dan: this is of course a fantastic product. Plus it is nice to always see another Eden guy do good!Timothy S. Brannanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02923526503305233715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-38708175193785113552010-02-05T12:29:35.413-05:002010-02-05T12:29:35.413-05:00Chris, yes, it was Blanche who drew all that creep...Chris, yes, it was Blanche who drew all that creepy, twisty art in the <i>Sorcery!</i> books.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-66436087726169404242010-02-05T12:25:22.001-05:002010-02-05T12:25:22.001-05:00My order is in for a hardback copy of the AEC. For...My order is in for a hardback copy of the AEC. For this particular product I do not mind the extra cash for the hardback price or the cost of shipping. <br /><br />Three cheers for Dan Proctor!!!Shane Mangushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03865733072718219138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-10849809653964891242010-02-05T12:19:29.583-05:002010-02-05T12:19:29.583-05:00@Jeff: I think the main gripe people have with Lul...@Jeff: I think the main gripe people have with Lulu is that the shipping is high. I can't really defend that entirely except that when you receive a book from Lulu you can see that they spared no expense in the packaging. Those things are packaged very securely. Also I suspect they over charge a bit because they work with different printers, so for instance if you order a hardcover and some paperbacks in one order, that hardcover is shipping separately from another location, so you are effectively really paying for shipping twice.<br /><br />Aside from that, their quality is top notch and while printer errors do occur, it actually isn't bad for the high volume one-off printing they do. From a publisher's perspective, today they are the best all around POD option. At least until RPGnow gets going with their program, then we'll see. But even then they will be printing from the same printers, so there will be no quality difference. I have other tips and things about Lulu, and feel free to email me if you have any questions.Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-22513136867410685192010-02-05T11:56:28.035-05:002010-02-05T11:56:28.035-05:00I am really anxious to pick this up in print. I ha...I am really anxious to pick this up in print. I have looked over both the original game and the advanced expansion in their free versions and I am very impressed. I think this is a marketing model that other game publishers should consider. Game buyers want two things from their games: [1] A game to play; [2] A book to read and cherish. The thing is many publishers manage one or the other, but somehow miss the mark when it comes to providing both. The great thing about Labyrinth Lord is that by offering option [1] for free in a glutted market they make it possible for players to play the game and thereby create a market for [2] A book to read and cherish. I know that the more I play and enjoy a gaming experience the more value I place on those books that sit on my shelf and the more I look at them.<br /><br />I do have a question. As an amateur RPG designer myself, I have been considering LuLu strongly for my self publishing ventures. Can I ask why the expressed disdain at their expense? In the interest of having all the facts that I need to make an informed choice, I'd like to know.<br /><br />Thanks!!<br /><br />Jeff MooreJeff W. Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172275785507310262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-80107165516046614442010-02-05T11:52:10.951-05:002010-02-05T11:52:10.951-05:00I still don't understand the concept of racial...I still don't understand the concept of racial limit to classes.<br />But this is pretty neat.Rachel Ghoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765944479141792643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-19114335404607436922010-02-05T11:27:07.494-05:002010-02-05T11:27:07.494-05:00It would be cool to have this book and the Labyrin...It would be cool to have this book and the Labyrinth Lord book blended together so as to make a single, seamless book.<br /><br />But even without that, LL and the AEC are very cool. :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-43570424864550841662010-02-05T11:26:08.047-05:002010-02-05T11:26:08.047-05:00Thanks for the review, James, it was too kind! Sea...Thanks for the review, James, it was too kind! Sean Aaberg is, among his other artistic interests, what you might call an underground comics artist. So he has that sort of style, and the character he lent to the demons and devils is unique but at the same time so old-school it makes me giggle like a little girl! His style is awesome and I hope to wrangle him in to some future projects. Steve really came through for me on this project too. That cover illustration is, to me, probably the most fantastic b/w illio I can think of from any old-school artist, contemporary or otherwise. In print you can really appreciate it that much more compared to the electronic book. Jeremy did the "level up" illustration at the end of the spells section. He had this neat idea for a teenager "leveling up" at the game table and it turned out pretty cool. You might recall that Jeremy did a bunch of work on Mutant Future, one of which is that scene in the beginning with the mutants sitting at the table playing an RPG called "real people." It's a really fun illio. He seems to like to do illustrations that sort of "bridge" that fantasy worlds we construct with these games and superimpose them on the real world, creating fun subject matter.Dan of Earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04957424338566461756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-90315833732168241412010-02-05T10:58:12.928-05:002010-02-05T10:58:12.928-05:00I've been waiting for this for awhile. I'm...I've been waiting for this for awhile. I'm running a game in it right now, and writing a module for it...pauljessuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09558540648226822596noreply@blogger.com