tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post8963788126368222576..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Bombur, Bofur, and BifurJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-68474572066195620712012-05-28T15:34:29.339-04:002012-05-28T15:34:29.339-04:00what the hell are you talking aboutwhat the hell are you talking aboutAlexwally29noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-35836528239886653152012-02-11T19:38:50.933-05:002012-02-11T19:38:50.933-05:00I'd strongly recommend Meet the Feebles and Ba...I'd strongly recommend Meet the Feebles and Bad Taste to almost anyone, they're both classic OTT schlock, BT was made on weekends over a few years with friends but still has an amazing fight scene on a cliff and MtF is a surefire cure Muppet sweetness.<br />As for the American-slanging, there is simply no way either of these films would have been made in the USA at the time, watch and compare and I think you'll see what was meant and I hope you'll enjoy them as the outrageous self-parodies that they are :)adronauthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02653788102185128308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-52465734788861168042011-07-20T05:43:06.649-04:002011-07-20T05:43:06.649-04:00Also I strongly recommend you watch Meet the Feebl...<i>Also I strongly recommend you watch </i>Meet the Feebles<i> and </i>Bad Taste<i> if you haven't already. Jackson is not an American movie maker</i> <br /><br />No, thank you very much. For my sanity's sake, I vowed to never more watch a PJ movie. <br /><br />And if you wanna make a nationalist issue of this, you are missing the target. What the USA have to do with it? It's not a matter of American vs. Australian, but of English vs. whoever PJ is representing. <br /><br />Tolkien's hobbits are a good old-fashioned parody of good old-fashioned English people (which -I mean, the parody- already was old-fashioned when LOTR was published). PJ's hobbits are... what are they meant to be? I didn't get it. Maybe generic D&D halflings? It doesn't help that the original soundtrack theme for the Shire sounds unmistakenly *Irish* to my ears.anonimous, emperador en el exiliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204169087393199959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-23414808954020196382011-07-17T20:03:00.776-04:002011-07-17T20:03:00.776-04:00I like Bofur's look. He looks like the dwarven...I like Bofur's look. He looks like the dwarven equivalent of a type of fella you see working in auto repair or body shops. Little wiry guys who you never see the top of their head 'cos they're always wearing an oil stained giveaway ball cap.BigFellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052419088140204154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-54723111984767336902011-07-17T11:53:56.813-04:002011-07-17T11:53:56.813-04:00I'm not sure if it's actually connected to...I'm not sure if it's actually connected to the movie, but it looks like it from the content. <a href="http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/F%C3%ADli_and_K%C3%ADli" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the entry on Fili and Kili, that makes clear they're minors (and should be expected therefore to have short beards). You can see from this that the Dwarves actually have a lot of backstory (contra your earlier suggestion that giving them backstory is "ludicrous"). I think this wiki helps to show that some of Jackson's design decisions aren't as way out or treacherous as you suggest. The main page is <a href="http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and certainly looks like it's connected to Jackson's movies, though I could be mistaken. Perhaps you've seen these already?<br /><br />Also I strongly recommend you watch <i>Meet the Feebles</i> and <i>Bad Taste</i> if you haven't already. Jackson is not an American movie maker and it really helps to understand his interpretation of Tolkien if you get at least some insight into the antipodean cultural framework within which he is operating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-46331830887972121422011-07-17T11:42:10.642-04:002011-07-17T11:42:10.642-04:00It's an Ushanka, James
That doesn't look l...<i>It's an Ushanka, James</i><br /><br>That doesn't look like an ushanka to me, but more like the kind of hats I associate with illustrations of medieval Mongol warriors, but I'll happily concede the point, if I'm mistaken.<br /><br /><i>I really think you need to revisit both the source material, the wiki that the Hobbit crew are putting together, and the various middle earth websites, because you're distorting the source material horribly in order to defend your lowered expectations</i><br /><br>Where is this wiki? You have piqued my curiosity.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-70469761927822860092011-07-17T11:31:34.876-04:002011-07-17T11:31:34.876-04:00It's an Ushanka, James, and the wikipedia entr...It's an <i>Ushanka</i>, James, and the wikipedia entry on it has a picture of a German hunter wearing one in 1643. If you look up pictures of ghettoes, stalingrad, Napoleon's retreat etc. you'll see them all over the shop. <br /><br />I really think you need to revisit both the source material, the wiki that the Hobbit crew are putting together, and the various middle earth websites, because you're distorting the source material horribly in order to defend your lowered expectations. None of what you see is what you think it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-1872855518744384672011-07-17T10:57:56.039-04:002011-07-17T10:57:56.039-04:00James, I'm not sure what your issue is with th...<i>James, I'm not sure what your issue is with the hat? It's a pretty common form of eastern European clothing, and if Tolkien modeled the Dwarves on Jews then this sort of hat would be pretty common amongst anyone from further East than Poland.</i><br /><br>The hat looks like Mongolian to me, not Eastern European, though I readily grant that many Eastern European items have their origins in Asia. Since we see no other dwarves dressed this way, it sticks out much more than if they'd all worn attire that was "eastern" in appearance.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-60224595568069181802011-07-17T10:41:53.311-04:002011-07-17T10:41:53.311-04:00James, I'm not sure what your issue is with th...James, I'm not sure what your issue is with the hat? It's a pretty common form of eastern European clothing, and if Tolkien modeled the Dwarves on Jews then this sort of hat would be pretty common amongst anyone from further East than Poland. <br /><br />Is there something wrong with giving these characters outfits based on real-life outfits from anywhere except Northern Europe? And if so, how do you square that with the Jewish angle that Tolkien is supposed to have followed with the Dwarves? The history of European Jewry was written in the East, so an Eastern European influence on their clothing would surely be acceptable, no?<br /><br />I think most of the people complaining about this movie are guilty of a) jumping the gun, b) misunderstanding the influences on and history of the hobbit, and c) privileging their own view of the Hobbit over a director's attempt to construct a shared vision. As far as I can tell Jackson's attempts to create that shared vision are far more defensible based on the background material than you're giving him credit for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-70846404025428322812011-07-17T10:20:06.089-04:002011-07-17T10:20:06.089-04:00[i]What's more comical to me is the whining ab...[i]What's more comical to me is the whining about the whining.[/i]<br /><br />What's more comical to me is the whining about the whining about the whining. - Your turn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-30995767389414100222011-07-17T09:44:10.068-04:002011-07-17T09:44:10.068-04:00The whining about production stills from a movie t...<i>The whining about production stills from a movie that just started shooting is almost comical. </i><br /><br />What's more comical to me is the whining about the whining.Taranaichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02176999342965850175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-74065134010978225122011-07-16T19:37:22.067-04:002011-07-16T19:37:22.067-04:00I would say that the most likely reason that many ...I would say that the most likely reason that many of these dwarves have short beards is that they are all different people who have chosen to grow their beards different lengths. Frankly these are good enough that I'm feeling much better after my small doubts from Fili and Kili.Rachel Ghoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765944479141792643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-57943182179539396672011-07-16T14:22:25.748-04:002011-07-16T14:22:25.748-04:00I take it from that statement that you're neve...<i>I take it from that statement that you're never had a long beard...</i><br /><br>I have not, but then neither have I ever been one of Khazâd.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-55955441138553719052011-07-16T10:25:20.695-04:002011-07-16T10:25:20.695-04:00James is right, Filli and Killi were minors when t...James is right, Filli and Killi were minors when they went on the expedition. They're also the party's main scouts, and their youth might explain their physique. <br /><br />Perhaps you should read the wiki attached to the hobbit movie; it contains a lot of information about the book, and compares the depiction of the characters to the previous movie. You might learn something about both the book and Jackson's interpretation of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-51463455827774008762011-07-16T00:12:23.900-04:002011-07-16T00:12:23.900-04:00I would say that the most likely reason that many ...I would say that the most likely reason that many of these dwarves have short beards is that they have yet to earn the right to wear a long beard.James Mishlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510782553325944558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-80803621673751918422011-07-15T01:56:29.340-04:002011-07-15T01:56:29.340-04:00"At least disgruntled Star Wars fans waited u..."At least disgruntled Star Wars fans waited until after The Phantom Menace was released before they started weeping that George Lucas "raped my childhood"."<br /><br />Nah, I started whining before that, right about when George ejaculated on my innocense with the remakes.SeymourGlasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15189870536143688676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-72966930995257821422011-07-14T20:59:33.663-04:002011-07-14T20:59:33.663-04:00This film is going to be garbage, just like the ot...This film is going to be garbage, just like the other three.Korgothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04683370654357044679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-17442350537092144312011-07-14T19:52:01.699-04:002011-07-14T19:52:01.699-04:00Well, I just reread the Hobbit and Tolkien does li...Well, I just reread the Hobbit and Tolkien does little to differentiate most of the dwarves. I like them. In fact, the only one I haven't liked is the black haired Kili (and I REALLY don't like his look). Otherwise they are well done. Oh, and I love the mattock!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-24863929599782331072011-07-14T17:28:53.453-04:002011-07-14T17:28:53.453-04:00I fully agree with Elfdart. Complaining about stil...I fully agree with Elfdart. Complaining about stills is almost comical. Once we see these guys in the movie, the look may be very different. You have to imagine the backdrops and such. It's ultimately the story and the scope that matters. George Lucas comes up with awesome-looking characters and terrible stories, for instance.<br /><br />Otherwise, they look fine to me. But I wouldn't remember one dwarf from another, having read The Hobbit only once years ago.David Alastair Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04388339435468414583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-83230359991273742222011-07-14T16:56:24.047-04:002011-07-14T16:56:24.047-04:00James, yes, that was a 'small' joke of min...James, yes, that was a 'small' joke of mine. Indeed. But I'll hold back on the rest :)Adelaide Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052999343460635401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-29973131378769935282011-07-14T13:27:50.263-04:002011-07-14T13:27:50.263-04:00I guess I was hoping that they would make The Hobb...<i>I guess I was hoping that they would make The Hobbit a 'serious' prequel to Lord of the Rings.</i><br /><br />If anything needs to be taken seriously, it's a story about thirteen dwarves, a rabbit-like gnome and a disappearing wizard in search of a dragon's cave filled with gold.<br /><br />The whining about production stills from a movie that just started shooting is almost comical. At least disgruntled Star Wars fans waited until after <i>The Phantom Menace</i> was released before they started weeping that George Lucas "raped my childhood".Elfdarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17332202910754546307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-35718923309273704652011-07-14T11:37:45.064-04:002011-07-14T11:37:45.064-04:00One point: Bifur, Bofur and Bombur were not of Dur...One point: Bifur, Bofur and Bombur were not of Durin's line (The Longbeards). So that may explain the "short beards". :)Adamantyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962009901412877763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-4426435817241950092011-07-14T11:31:10.062-04:002011-07-14T11:31:10.062-04:00This picture goes some way in rehabilitating the w...This picture goes some way in rehabilitating the whole lot. Here's how:<br /><br />My objection to the other images was that it looks like PJ was aiming to squeeze The Hobbit out of the same tube he used for LotR. <br /><br />But now, if he does do something comic, his use of the same black metallic pallete that has become a staple of darkly heroic movies, will heighten the mock-epic qualities of The Hobbit.<br /><br />Even though it's clear that the dwarves in the novel are not "real" heroes or adventurers, it's also clear that they think of themselves as such. I'd say the same about these guys.Brian (brian_cooper at hotmail d o t com)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02805168206752602148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-23288544282684454652011-07-14T11:22:45.817-04:002011-07-14T11:22:45.817-04:00Alright some of these guys look a little closer to...Alright some of these guys look a little closer to dwarves - the costumes sort of reflect that they actually work in a mine, and are not long haired rock and roll prima donna casualties of fashion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-77838415773156332402011-07-14T10:39:16.905-04:002011-07-14T10:39:16.905-04:00Looks Good! I like these dwarves better than Jacks...Looks Good! I like these dwarves better than Jackson's Gimli aberration.Brooser Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487438364129415650noreply@blogger.com