tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post9027421659352799251..comments2024-03-18T20:22:06.331-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Pulp Fantasy Library: Alice's Adventures in WonderlandJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-65587987425082318992009-09-28T10:12:08.259-04:002009-09-28T10:12:08.259-04:00I don't know about that Robert. I get what you...I don't know about that Robert. I get what you're saying, but making things more generic doesn't make them less confusing or easier. <br /><br />"Alice" is fantasy for sure, but it was written well before the pulp era.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997164906328234122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53130994579865510232009-09-23T23:50:37.523-04:002009-09-23T23:50:37.523-04:00shrug I don’t think everything in the “Pulp Fantas...<em>shrug</em> I don’t think everything in the “Pulp Fantasy <em>Library</em>” need be “pulp fantasy”. They need merely be books that may be of interest to the pulp fantasy enthusiast.<br /><br />Or, like “wargame” or “role-playing game” or the “spin” of elementary particles <i>et cetera ad naseum</i>, you can just accept that names are often imperfect.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733274876782876659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-61902006729652599442009-09-23T16:43:00.824-04:002009-09-23T16:43:00.824-04:00Clovis, I'd really love to see a copy of the g...Clovis, I'd really love to see a copy of the game you wrote. I tried emailing you from Gmail and Hotmail, but I got the following error message both times: Mailbox unavailable or access denied. Is that email address correct? Thanks.Baron Greystonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636292202674906870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-66092461597076915402009-09-22T22:26:22.385-04:002009-09-22T22:26:22.385-04:00me bad . . .
must be the dyslexia
I apologize ...me bad . . .<br /><br />must be the dyslexia<br /><br />I apologize for the error<br /><br />I have a home brew Barsoom game that I wrote / copyrighted in 1990;<br />72 pages of goodness . . .<br /><br />send me an address IF <br />you would like a print copy<br /><br />LouisL2 at COX dot COMclovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03647936958773934755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-70301413874614315332009-09-22T15:25:10.863-04:002009-09-22T15:25:10.863-04:00I hesitate to say it's a "mind expanding&...<em>I hesitate to say it's a "mind expanding" novel, as that's a mite more pretentious than I wish... </em><br /><br />Hesitate no more, let your pretentiousness run amok! You now have statisticians to back you up: <br /><br />www.miller-mccune.com/news/this-is-your-brain-on-kafka-1474Nerd Oddrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460331232978481663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-59067667292491033912009-09-22T12:08:38.446-04:002009-09-22T12:08:38.446-04:00I have an annotated text, I have to pull it out. T...I have an annotated text, I have to pull it out. The Md Tea Party - the Hatter, the Hare and the Sloth refer to Trinity College, Trinity Committee or something .Brooser Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487438364129415650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-34074932449589722412009-09-22T10:11:57.822-04:002009-09-22T10:11:57.822-04:00Alice and Wonderland was political satire of its d...<i>Alice and Wonderland was political satire of its day. The Mad Hatter and the Tea Party was a spoof of the board of directors or some other academic establishment either at Oxford or Cambridge, where Dodgson taught.</i><br /><br>Well, I think it's fairer to say that the book <i>includes</i> satire of many sorts, including the political. That's not the book's primary purpose so far as I have ever ascertained. <br /><br />FWIW, I don't think we know for certain who the Mad Hatter is supposed to spoof. There are several candidates, including a furniture dealer in Oxford.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-66479537555910418572009-09-22T10:01:45.442-04:002009-09-22T10:01:45.442-04:00i suspect edgar rice burroughs did not make append...<i>i suspect edgar rice burroughs did not make appendix N, because his estate threatened to SUE Gygax for inclusion of Barsoomian beasts in the little brown books . . .</i><br /><br>Burroughs is included in Appendix N -- the Pellucidar and Barsoom books, specifically.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-86475496888656251372009-09-22T06:26:58.656-04:002009-09-22T06:26:58.656-04:00Alice and Wonderland was political satire of its d...Alice and Wonderland was political satire of its day. The Mad Hatter and the Tea Party was a spoof of the board of directors or some other academic establishment either at Oxford or Cambridge, where Dodgson taught. All lost now to history and only psychodelic trace remains. <br /><br />D&D is too linear and wargame oriented to be well suited to Alice in Wonderland type play, but it CAN be done. The spirit of D&D and sword and sorcery genre is more akin to adventures of Sinbad the Sailor and 1001 Nights than to high fantasy of the LOTR, which is not really a fantasy at all, if you look at it. LOTR is a world with sorcery in it, which is disenchanted of mystery, unknown, or magic and is depressingly finite, with Dark Lord a menacing abstraction.Brooser Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487438364129415650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-28397561212786515522009-09-21T23:37:56.391-04:002009-09-21T23:37:56.391-04:00i suspect edgar rice burroughs did not make append...i suspect edgar rice burroughs did not make appendix N, because his estate threatened to SUE Gygax for inclusion of Barsoomian beasts in the little brown books . . .<br /><br />from the Warlord of Mars<br /><br />“If I sometimes seem to take too great pride in my fighting ability, it must be remembered that fighting is my vocation. If your vocation is shoeing horses, or painting pictures, and you can do one or the other better than your fellows, then you are a fool if you are not proud of your ability.” (Chapter VI, p. 61)clovishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03647936958773934755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-22930004618090816622009-09-21T22:42:58.074-04:002009-09-21T22:42:58.074-04:00I know these only through pop media, this would be...I know these only through pop media, this would be a great story to read to the kids, as I would become acquainted with it at the same time.Aaron E. Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789462075611254929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-45838683757469863962009-09-21T22:31:10.654-04:002009-09-21T22:31:10.654-04:00I love Alice. I still have an ancient edition, wit...I love Alice. I still have an ancient edition, with the cover coming off, on my shelf. Sadly, I read THE LOOKING GLASS WAR a few years ago.... and it wasn't uite as good.The Badger Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09020950272210873449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-27894699985077644802009-09-21T18:14:15.837-04:002009-09-21T18:14:15.837-04:00Thanks, James. It is amazing, when I think about i...Thanks, James. It is amazing, when I think about it, the impact Carroll's work has had on pop culture, from Jefferson Airplane to <i>The Matrix</i> to D&D.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786312855250456688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-67939513964014400032009-09-21T18:11:23.307-04:002009-09-21T18:11:23.307-04:00"One of these days, I should probably rename ..."One of these days, I should probably rename this weekly feature of the blog, because novel's like Alice's Adventures in Wonderland really do need to be discussed, but they're by no means "pulp fantasy," at least as I usually use the word."<br /><br />A suggestion: add them as separate tags "pulp" "fantasy" and a new one "literature". Then apply as needed. AiWL strikes me as "fantasy" "literature" and obviously not needing a "pulp" tag. If literature is too debatable a term, maybe "library" would work. This would still keep Alice out of any "pulp" searches but rightly in "library" to denote it's a narrative and not a gaming resource. You could also add "sci-fi" to any pulp novels more geared in that vein.<br /><br />Blogger is great for making edits to tags, and though you have a lot, one evening's worth of sorting and re-tagging should do it. You may even find a few that you missed along the way. <br /><br />/doing a lot of taxonomy at work these days!Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07997164906328234122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-53282234471029926252009-09-21T13:03:36.458-04:002009-09-21T13:03:36.458-04:00American McGee. Gygax. Too cool. Hope the upcoming...American McGee. Gygax. Too cool. Hope the upcoming movie is good.<br /><br />Jag looks interesting too, will have to read it. Thanks.Baron Greystonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636292202674906870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-60052041708523085512009-09-21T11:37:45.040-04:002009-09-21T11:37:45.040-04:00I adore Alice in Wonderland and Through the Lookin...I adore Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass. I'm working on a series of novels right now (which with some luck has interest from one publisher already). The second will involve the sojourn of a modern young girl named Becky through Wonderland and Looking-Glass Land, guided by the ghosts of two Alices.The Grey Elfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14696474020129732936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-92149779066590055392009-09-21T11:08:49.570-04:002009-09-21T11:08:49.570-04:00An extraordinarily creepy and influential work, no...An extraordinarily creepy and influential work, no doubt. James, take a look at the free JAGS rpg sourcebook "Wonderland," a setting that really captures the darker essence of the tale (http://www.jagsrpg.org/?download=Wonderland.pdf). I used the Call of Cthulhu rules to run it, and it was a fantastic campaign. The author portrays Wonderland as a voracious, sentient entity, the faerie land of myth that gobbles people up and takes them far, far away...to play with them. Very good stuff (not unlike this blog!).<br /><br />Today's word verification is "insituse," which makes me think of "institute." Very Winderland indeed.Andrew Logan Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16862829026060203177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-91842808844287706602009-09-21T10:57:12.656-04:002009-09-21T10:57:12.656-04:00I read Alice in Wonderland to my then five year ol...I read Alice in Wonderland to my then five year old daughter. She loved it so much that she demanded I read it to her again. Then we read Through the Looking Glass.<br /><br />It's curious that fantasy has come to be such a male character dominated genre, when two of the its founding works had both female protagonists and villains... Alice in Wonderland and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.Chris Tichenorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11866673632888599928noreply@blogger.com