tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post948792042140831777..comments2024-03-19T04:29:47.922-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Pulp Fantasy Library: The Shadow Out of TimeJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-2410835563093129762010-11-09T03:31:38.839-05:002010-11-09T03:31:38.839-05:00Here's one I read at the time:
http://www.fan...Here's one I read at the time:<br /><br />http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/h/robert-holdstock/tour-of-universe.htmanarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21232818065682413782010-11-08T20:22:10.218-05:002010-11-08T20:22:10.218-05:00James, did you read the books that were collection...<i>James, did you read the books that were collections of science-fiction paintings, but with a nominal story that 'explained' the paintings?</i><br /><br>I did! Those were some of my favorites as a kid. I wish I could remember some of the titles.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-74979076766572483682010-11-08T16:29:24.326-05:002010-11-08T16:29:24.326-05:00You are being a pendant focusing on the word, &quo...You are being a pendant focusing on the word, "necronomicon" and not the mythology of books lovecraft used to invent his own.UWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-17539526183992478162010-11-08T16:27:09.829-05:002010-11-08T16:27:09.829-05:00Oh I'm sorry, apparently lovecraft was the fir...Oh I'm sorry, apparently lovecraft was the first guy to invent the idea of a satanic book whole cloth ignoring the historical fact that arabic math books in Europe did get people burned at the stake and all monks were learned scholars when the illiteracy rate for low level un ordained priests rivaled that of the peasantry!<br /><br />But what do I know? I'm just some dude on the Internet!UWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-77989061639947305952010-11-08T15:12:58.012-05:002010-11-08T15:12:58.012-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.rainswepthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165059567790555748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-16493732968964876482010-11-08T11:42:51.301-05:002010-11-08T11:42:51.301-05:00"The mythology of the necronomicon was probab..."The mythology of the necronomicon was probably the result of some illiterate monk discovering a book of pythagorus written in Arabic."<br /><br />There is no "mythology of the necronomicon" before Lovecraft. He made it up. It's an invention, a fictional tool used to tie stories together and as a means of introducing Certain Facts to the victims in his stories.<br /><br />(And that monk was much, much more likely to have first encountered Pythagoras in Greek, via Constantinople, than in Arabic.)Rob Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03010767328260010949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-62539563167990865922010-11-08T10:31:50.489-05:002010-11-08T10:31:50.489-05:00The mythology of the necronomicon was probably the...The mythology of the necronomicon was probably the result of some illiterate monk discovering a book of pythagorus written in Arabic. Which Umberto Eco I his book, 'the name of the rose' (movie version with Sean connory and Christian slater) touches on ancillary. <br /><br />During the dark ages such a book would literally have been thought of as occult.UWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-51502962480160970942010-11-08T10:19:25.583-05:002010-11-08T10:19:25.583-05:00Having just read the Vance story of rhialto the ma...Having just read the Vance story of rhialto the marvelous traveling in another mathemagicians peregrine fire-powered flying manse off to save Morreion whose distant planet is about to be swallowed by the 'Nothing' (a black hole it obviously is though disguised by the protagonists ignorance of the readers present nomenclature). And further just having finished watching some YouTube lectures by the Nobel laureate Richard Feynman where he says mathematics is the language we use when we describe the things that have no metaphors--that yes! It's science fiction. <br /><br />It's not that significantly advanced technology will appear as magic, it's that--like the real world around us, with anything the human mind doesn't understand we default to a magic system. Such was the case with lightning and thunder and such would be the case with extra-dimension beings.<br /><br />By the way, the last 3 episodes of southpark have been about the BP oil spill unleashing Cuthulhu, southparkstudios.comUWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-78778222313138252232010-11-08T09:04:36.371-05:002010-11-08T09:04:36.371-05:00"The Shadow out of Time", along with &qu..."The Shadow out of Time", along with "At the Mountains of Madness" and "The Mound", are my three favorite of Lovecraft's tales.<br /><br />"The Shadow out of Time", however, is flawed by the Great Race being New Dealers. They aren't alien enough. They instead became a sort of mouthpiece for Lovecraft's political beliefs. (The same can be said, to a somewhat less extent, for the Old Ones in "At the Mountains of Madnesss".)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-28119725433929636462010-11-08T08:21:57.203-05:002010-11-08T08:21:57.203-05:00Whoops, meant "deserves that goofy picture.&q...Whoops, meant "deserves that goofy picture."Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381628150285913370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-24993322019504544292010-11-08T08:21:38.324-05:002010-11-08T08:21:38.324-05:00This is my least favorite Lovecraft story, and it ...This is my least favorite Lovecraft story, and it deserve that goofy story. Nevermind that the Great Race was ridiculous in physical conception, the whole thing tried to tie every "mythos" creature he ever made into a coherent whole, and in the end, I think it all fit together very very badly. He started heading down that path in Mountains of Madness, but he really goes over the edge with this one. Boo hiss to the Great Race.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381628150285913370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-82308212310372098162010-11-08T06:24:38.132-05:002010-11-08T06:24:38.132-05:00PS I used to read those books too (and the equival...PS I used to read those books too (and the equivalent ones about comics).<br /><br />James, did you read the books that were collections of science-fiction paintings, but with a nominal story that 'explained' the paintings? They don't seem to make those any more.anarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-81613252456128686872010-11-08T02:26:39.416-05:002010-11-08T02:26:39.416-05:00Does anyone know where I could find out if any of ...Does anyone know where I could find out if any of these covers are in the public domain?anarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-43698328853704414952010-11-08T00:53:36.863-05:002010-11-08T00:53:36.863-05:00I think the term that best suits what Lovecraft wr...I think the term that best suits what Lovecraft wrote is his own, "weird fiction". Avoids the whole issue of sci-fi/horror. Shadow Out of Time is definitely one of my favorites, but I have no issue with the inferiority of (present-day) humanity as a notion, being a bit of a transhumanist, myself.masquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421644393539292803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-41110959808150175602010-11-08T00:34:47.505-05:002010-11-08T00:34:47.505-05:00Never having seen it before, that is a great, stri...Never having seen it before, that is a great, striking cover image.<br /><br />Similarly, I can "dimly recall my youthful unease" at Erol Otus' art for the DDG Lovecraft section (also my first introduction to him) to the extent that I <i>tried to avoid touching those pages of the book</i>.<br /><br />Totally agree that "HPL had in fact been writing science fiction stories in the garb of horror stories for much of his career..."Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.com