tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post3232520345722386822..comments2024-03-29T07:58:31.156-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: Monster Manual ForewordJames Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-71044672925420514622012-04-08T07:51:04.525-04:002012-04-08T07:51:04.525-04:00As someone who has the 1981 hardback and gamed wit...As someone who has the 1981 hardback and gamed with it I can wholeheartedly say that it is (imo) the most poorly organised set of rpg rules I've come across. - It's absolutely atrocious :)Dave McDougallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-60954376919291411932012-04-07T12:51:57.038-04:002012-04-07T12:51:57.038-04:00 Ah, that makes sense. OD&D was before my tim... Ah, that makes sense. OD&D was before my time, so I didn't realise that text was grandfathered in.Daniel Koolbecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-46692160334092384632012-04-06T20:48:40.858-04:002012-04-06T20:48:40.858-04:00The sniping at unauthorized D&D products actua...The sniping at unauthorized D&D products actually dates from the late '70s. I'd trace it to an editorial from Gygax himself in an old issue of The Dragon, called "The View from the End of the Telescope Wondering Which End is Which" (http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?articleid=20222).<br /><br />What I recall as more obnoxious than the criticism of "inferior products" was that editorial's assertion that any deviation from the official rules, be it self-created or taken from one of the unauthorized supplements, effectively made one's game an "inferior product" -- A "leave this to the professionals" stance that I felt was at odds with the spirit of the game, and definitely had the opposite of Gygax's intended effect so far as I was concerned.Umbrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-35240481760145967192012-04-06T14:17:18.506-04:002012-04-06T14:17:18.506-04:00In a way, doesn't it make more sense to read t...In a way, doesn't it make more sense to read this sort of criticism in the hobby's earliest days -- when companies were competing on shared generic/mechanical grounds for a small number of buyers -- than during the 80s, when the market for RPGs was starting to spread out across genres and styles?Wally Hollandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-89551053091855011292012-04-06T11:39:12.803-04:002012-04-06T11:39:12.803-04:00This new format for comments kinda stinks. It does...This new format for comments kinda stinks. It doesn't load all the comments at one time, and then the text is gold? It feels like I'm staring into the sun after I read a few of these. radnoffhttp://profile.yahoo.com/S65HFHLLC55Z7SV35RKILUUSZMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-9294956243815718922012-04-06T10:07:50.317-04:002012-04-06T10:07:50.317-04:00 1981.
The 1st edition was a boxed set of softbac... 1981.<br /><br />The 1st edition was a boxed set of softback books, then came a revised 2nd edition in hardback.<br /><br />Subsequently of course there was the 3rd edition softback by TSR.Dave McDougallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-73295372151976489242012-04-06T04:23:09.456-04:002012-04-06T04:23:09.456-04:00Only 2nd Edition Dragonquest had a hardcover editi...Only 2nd Edition Dragonquest had a hardcover edition; it was released in 1981.Jeff Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-40479175311856347882012-04-06T03:45:45.488-04:002012-04-06T03:45:45.488-04:001981, according to this site : http://www.zimlab.c...1981, according to this site : http://www.zimlab.com/dq/dqidx20.htmAlexander McDonaldhttp://twitter.com/PrinceHerbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-76377615562350911532012-04-06T02:50:45.093-04:002012-04-06T02:50:45.093-04:00 Mine lasted several decades and despite somehow e... Mine lasted several decades and despite somehow ending up bent under a bed was still intact and readable. I wish more gaming books were as good for the $43 adjusted dollars that was spent on it.Simon Acertonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-73887097051216450002012-04-06T01:04:28.988-04:002012-04-06T01:04:28.988-04:00Another hardcover I remember was that "Fantas...Another hardcover I remember was that "Fantasy Wargaming" book, but I think that came out in 1982.Jonathan Hendryhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1428470021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-91250595698359609662012-04-05T23:48:36.874-04:002012-04-05T23:48:36.874-04:00All credit to AD&D for being the first with ha...All credit to AD&D for being the first with hardcovers. If I thought TSR's slagging of other RPGs looked a little petty at the time, it looks even more unbecoming with 30+ years of hindsight.<br /><br />Dragonquest (SPI) was actually published in both a hardcover and a boxed set edition several years before the Traveller Book, as well as a later second edition softcover. The hardcover came out about 1981-82 IIRC. Of course, SPI died about 1982, so that's not surprising.Stuart Dollarhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Stuart-Dollar/100000246202373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-84642757298123661762012-04-05T19:52:41.193-04:002012-04-05T19:52:41.193-04:00Hey speaking of DQ does anyone know where van get ...Hey speaking of DQ does anyone know where van get a cheap (preferably PDF) copy of the core. DQ book and/or that Forgotten Realms module that included rules for runnig it in both AD&D and DQ rules? (I don't remember the name of the module)DeusNihlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06038215658350486776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-41614952377551222902012-04-05T18:03:47.896-04:002012-04-05T18:03:47.896-04:00Note that this is a legacy from OD&D which bot...Note that this is a legacy from OD&D which both had Balrogs as a monster and actually had that language in the Hold Portal description itself. (Gygax's later stiff-arming of LOTR was quite the case of protestething to much.)deltanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-59275231755917430742012-04-05T16:01:15.100-04:002012-04-05T16:01:15.100-04:00Only the MM and the first three printings of the P...Only the MM and the first three printings of the PHB received the high quality treatment most obvious for the rough textured covers and very thick paper.<br /><br />The DMG never received the high quality treatment.Paul Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-83939951609020516402012-04-05T14:24:57.599-04:002012-04-05T14:24:57.599-04:00From digging around online, I have discovered that...From digging around online, I have discovered that, yes, there was indeed a DQ hardcover published in 1981. Until now, I'd never heard of it. I own the 1st edition boxed set and I read the 2nd edition Bantam paperback edition, so I simply assumed they were the only versions of the game to exist.James Maliszewskihttp://grognardia.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-61112606434708449822012-04-05T14:23:09.434-04:002012-04-05T14:23:09.434-04:00Aha! Thank you for the insight into this. That mak...Aha! Thank you for the insight into this. That makes a great deal of sense, now that you've said it.James Maliszewskihttp://grognardia.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-37266445034232365982012-04-05T14:16:17.599-04:002012-04-05T14:16:17.599-04:00I believe that's a shot at "All the Word&...I believe that's a shot at "All the Word's Monsters" from Chaosium, which was looseleaf, hole-punched and bound with brass brads.Jeff Grubbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-4430538535156550842012-04-05T14:02:10.055-04:002012-04-05T14:02:10.055-04:00Now you guys are making me doubt what I think I ow...Now you guys are making me doubt what I think I own. ;)<br /><br /><br />Here's an image of the book I own: http://rpggeek.com/image/550840/dragonquest-rulebook-2nd-edition<br />And this link says that it came out in 1981. It feels like something I might have bought in '82...(I note that some websites list this cover as being for a softcover, but I remember it being the same type of book as the MM/PH/DMG...)Peter Greyyhttp://www.seattlecomedy.net/petergreyy.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-37594156313986851572012-04-05T13:43:42.486-04:002012-04-05T13:43:42.486-04:00Bah, misread there. When was this hardcover DQ boo...Bah, misread there. When was this hardcover DQ book released? I only ever saw the boxed set and the later softcover.James Maliszewskihttp://grognardia.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-47716744017512649962012-04-05T13:41:35.669-04:002012-04-05T13:41:35.669-04:00 I never knew DQ was in hardcover. How intriguing.... I never knew DQ was in hardcover. How intriguing...Anthony Raganhttp://breeland.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-47638113533606306462012-04-05T13:39:54.185-04:002012-04-05T13:39:54.185-04:00Rob's right that Dragonquest (not Dragonlance)...Rob's right that Dragonquest (not Dragonlance) was a hardcover release...I've got a copy of that one, myself. Damned if I can remember what year it was (and it's pretty deep in the crates for me to dig it out.)Peter Greyyhttp://www.seattlecomedy.net/petergreyy.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-26632700933431040822012-04-05T12:53:31.828-04:002012-04-05T12:53:31.828-04:00Ah, of course. Must have had the old AD&D blin...Ah, of course. Must have had the old AD&D blinkers on!Cpt Blaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16190441480384157635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-7558741594066265032012-04-05T12:45:56.775-04:002012-04-05T12:45:56.775-04:00I too had a copy of the 2nd ed. Runequest hardboun...I too had a copy of the 2nd ed. Runequest hardbound with the red cover. I can't say I remember it being available at the FLGS but my memory is pretty hazy on that. I think I might have purchased my copy directly from Chaosium at a convention. <br /><br />As to which was available first, The Traveller Book or RQ, I really don't remember. I think they were around the same time though, 1982 perhaps?Gary Pilkingtonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-16299451486974261562012-04-05T12:37:53.155-04:002012-04-05T12:37:53.155-04:00I'm pretty sure the first part is the Holmes B...I'm pretty sure the first part is the Holmes Basic Set.James Maliszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-65749302791618447082012-04-05T12:35:36.133-04:002012-04-05T12:35:36.133-04:00The second part of the new D&D releases? Surel...The second part of the new D&D releases? Surely the MM was the first?Cpt Blaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16190441480384157635noreply@blogger.com