tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post7000717405053614236..comments2024-03-29T00:32:33.920-04:00Comments on GROGNARDIA: White Dwarf: Issue #58James Maliszewskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00341941102398271464noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-49620658027772452802022-11-18T14:36:15.249-05:002022-11-18T14:36:15.249-05:00I disagree with the "few tweaks" but the...I disagree with the "few tweaks" but then I also consider that the changes from RQ1 to RQ2 were more substantial than people understand.<br /><br />That said, in spectrum of all RPGs, all versions of RQ are the same... :-)Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855679156477779666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-21715351567506973982022-11-17T20:40:30.139-05:002022-11-17T20:40:30.139-05:00@Ruprecht: Including that important tweak of disti...@Ruprecht: Including that important tweak of distinguishing between POW and Magic Points. So much confusion alleviated with one little adjustment!faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-74378187720139850502022-11-17T19:52:03.248-05:002022-11-17T19:52:03.248-05:00It was basically the same game with a few tweaks, ...It was basically the same game with a few tweaks, great ship rules, and ugly presentation. If you were not into Glorantha migrating to RQ3 made sense if you could afford it.Ruprechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00139664977453444000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-66222009809889575712022-11-17T13:43:57.407-05:002022-11-17T13:43:57.407-05:00I bought the deluxe box the day it showed up on sh...I bought the deluxe box the day it showed up on shelves and MC soon after. Loved reading RQ3, loved making characters, then I ran it a bit. Went right back to RQ2 and despite some great products late in its life, I've never had a desire to run it again- good ideas, poor execution.. Best RQ character sheet ever, tho. These days I use OQ for rules and original chaosium glorantha materials. The setting especially, as well as the new rules have just become too cumbersome for this old GM. <br /><br />I do still have a perfect bound Deluxe RQ3 from the 90s in my collection. JEFFBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862106711059104379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-52068875321178054392022-11-17T11:47:30.581-05:002022-11-17T11:47:30.581-05:00But it is interesting that the RQ fan community se...But it is interesting that the RQ fan community seems to have overwhelmingly switched to RQ3. I encounter very few folks who used RQ2 (let alone RQ1 that I STILL run) from the 90s on and now everyone has jumped to RQG.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855679156477779666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-37822391851430833832022-11-16T22:29:58.991-05:002022-11-16T22:29:58.991-05:00AH also published a one-book softcover edition dur...AH also published a one-book softcover edition during the "RQ renaissance" in the 1990s, which was just the entire Deluxe set but in one book. It was also the first, and only affordable AH edition, but by then the ship was well-sailed, the horse well-bolted, and even though they did eventually produce some good stuff, RQ was never going back to it's 1980s peak.<br /><br />Me, I think AH could have rescued RQ3 in the 1980s if they hadn't also messed-up on supplements. A good strong line of well-regarded supplements might have made the high price of the rules easier to swallow. That they failed there too just shows how little they understood what they were doing. 21st Century Moosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06470341758326840834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-43143037169228832822022-11-16T16:13:02.963-05:002022-11-16T16:13:02.963-05:00The GW RuneQuest hardbacks are roughly A4 in size....The GW <i>RuneQuest</i> hardbacks are roughly A4 in size. It's possible there were A5 versions, but I've never seen them.<br /><br />They also published <i>Land of Ninja</i> and <i>Griffin Island</i> in the same hardback format.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-30685837411435062372022-11-16T15:35:49.583-05:002022-11-16T15:35:49.583-05:00That was also included in the "Deluxe" b...That was also included in the "Deluxe" box of RQ3, along with a <i>Gamemaster Book</i> that included a lot of interesting notes on worldbuilding and other topics, including random encounter tables and price lists, and a fifth book giving an overview of Glorantha.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-90847954533463166882022-11-16T15:33:20.885-05:002022-11-16T15:33:20.885-05:00I sort of disagree, but not strongly, with a coupl...I sort of disagree, but not strongly, with a couple of previous commenters who said that <i>Lands of Adventure</i> is not worth seeking out. Its biggest problem is that it is not so much a game as notes toward a game. It is possible to build a game using the ideas and methods outlined, but it isn't really fully a game in itself. In that way, it does somewhat resemble the earliest edition of D&D, actually. I do think that some of its ideas are well worth examining, but unusual design choices like fixed weapon damage (a weapon will always do a certain amount of damage with each hit, the variation being introduced by the chance to hit and also the ability to take damage on each of several "hit point" pools) and a completely open skill system (you can choose to develop any skill that you can name, Referee permitting of course), especially combined with some truly bizarre justifications (the Agility score is derived from the Beauty score due to "gracefulness of movement", for instance), combine to make it a bit of a baffling prospect to work through. Still, I think that people interested in designing or tinkering with games could definitely find value in it.<br /><br />"Grow Your Own Planets" was an implementation in BASIC of the ACRETE algorithm, which was cutting-edge astrophysics about a decade earlier. You can <a href="https://github.com/calebrob6/accrete" rel="nofollow">still find</a> <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242100335_Modeling_of_Solar_System_Formation_Using_ACRETE" rel="nofollow">versions of it</a> <a href="http://fast-times.eldacur.com/StarGen/RunStarGen.html" rel="nofollow">out there in the wilds of the internet</a>.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-78212897036224289192022-11-16T03:59:14.073-05:002022-11-16T03:59:14.073-05:00(I forgot that the GW version of RQ3 included a th...(I forgot that the GW version of RQ3 included a third book: Monsters)artikidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17474295473142339717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-28324075612699614232022-11-16T03:42:53.754-05:002022-11-16T03:42:53.754-05:00I do remember GW publishing RQ3 at some point, tho...I do remember GW publishing RQ3 at some point, though with all Glorantha material removed.<br />It was split in two hardback A5/Digest-sized booklets, one of which was dubbed Advanced Runequest.<br /><br />See attached image<br />http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OCLTivC11eE/VNvd8ytOIbI/AAAAAAAAYEU/Y5wqLXyKEF4/s1600/20150211_175530.jpgartikidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17474295473142339717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-36204947788598757602022-11-15T17:35:10.232-05:002022-11-15T17:35:10.232-05:00Q Manual was one of those rare gaming books that y...Q Manual was one of those rare gaming books that you could share with non-gamers without much explanation. The stat boxes were discreet, and the flavor text really gave the gadgets, guns, and vehicles a lot of context within the James Bond books and movies.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13467431641317104916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-1809171501881381752022-11-15T17:34:20.056-05:002022-11-15T17:34:20.056-05:00IIRC this was the first White Dwarf issue I bought...IIRC this was the first White Dwarf issue I bought off the rack, the "local" (an forty-five minute drive on a good day) comic/game store having finally started stocking it. Bought it largely on the strength of the Champions adventure (which was very good, agreed) and the Vance conversion stats for D&D, since I'd discovered him only a few years before this came out and was increasingly baffled why so few other local gamers seemed to know or appreciate his work. Became a regular purchase for me afterward, something I stuck with until well into the early 2000s before finally realizing it had become nothing but a hollow sales catalog trading on the strength of its former greatness.Dick McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521293874696659063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-89704363986603884982022-11-15T17:27:31.119-05:002022-11-15T17:27:31.119-05:00Seconded. 5 out of 10 was being generous. It rea...Seconded. 5 out of 10 was being generous. It really has nothing to recommend it beyond whatever mystique obscurity grants it. And, I suppose, a fairly attractive cover.Dick McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521293874696659063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-69669080911995220872022-11-15T15:11:59.197-05:002022-11-15T15:11:59.197-05:00It's interesting that WD awarded the James Bon...It's interesting that WD awarded the James Bond 007 Q Manual 9 out of 10, but the game itself only got 6 out of 10 (in issue 57).<br /><br />I fully agree with James about the quality of the manual, but it is, at the end of the day, just item stats.<br /><br />I think the game is worth a 9, mysrlf, with the Q Manual coming in at 7.5.Sir Harrokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064391207365006286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-43780517752708303152022-11-15T14:15:35.391-05:002022-11-15T14:15:35.391-05:00I think the decision to partner with Avalon Hill t...I think the decision to partner with Avalon Hill to publish Runequest 3 did almost kill the line, which didn't return to Chaosium until its current iteration in 2019. According to Shannon Appelcline: <br /><br />"Avalon Hill’s decision to turn RuneQuest into a high-priced luxury game probably did more to kill the line than any of their later decisions. Before Avalon Hill, RuneQuest had been the second or third most popular fantasy roleplaying game in the United States and had won prizes two years running as the best-loved RPG of Britain. Under Avalon Hill, RuneQuest would slowly fade into obscurity over the next decade." (Designers and Dragons: The '80s p.221 (2014)).<br /><br />I stopped running RQ when this edition came out, partly because of price, but ironically we continued playing RQ with this third edition and still do because one of my roleplaying friends decided to pay the price for this new edition, and has run games in it ever since. Harun Musho'dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557785368640776659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-89396539382792673772022-11-15T14:13:55.200-05:002022-11-15T14:13:55.200-05:00Livingstone was right about the AH RQ version - it...Livingstone was right about the AH RQ version - it ended up being about twice the price of the previous version. It was definitely more popular than D&D for a while, if my gaming club was any indication, but apart from a couple of people who decided to buy the AH set, everyone just stuck with the previous version, so I don't remember a single game of AH RQ taking place back in the 80s. When I moved away in the late 80s, the gaming scene I joined was both bigger (which was quite something - my previous club had over 60 members, and the new one had at least double that) and more diverse in terms of gaming, and while there were several RQ 2 games going on at any time, I don't remember a single AH RQ game going on there either. RQ was always popular in the 80s, but even then, it was eclipsed by Call of Cthulhu; even though RQ came out first, I think it grew in popularity because people mostly knew the system already from CoC.Nick the Lemminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421763979523839533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-2617294663700923652022-11-15T13:16:31.432-05:002022-11-15T13:16:31.432-05:00They must have solved the RuneQuest conundrum as G...They must have solved the <i>RuneQuest</i> conundrum as Games Workshop released its own version of the Avalon Hill third edition, albeit in 1987 after Sir Ian had stepped down as <i>White Dwarf</i> editor.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7487871339000666216.post-25171479843691221112022-11-15T12:59:35.150-05:002022-11-15T12:59:35.150-05:00You did not miss a thing as regards to Lands of Ad...You did not miss a thing as regards to Lands of Adventure. I bought it BITD based on the Author's rep , got a glance through and sat on my shelf until it eventually sold as part of an auction of gaming material in the early 90s.<br /><br />I bought it again about 20 years ago in my collecting days and after another skim through with older eyes, I concluded it wasn't worth the meager sum of $5 I paid. JEFFBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08862106711059104379noreply@blogger.com