I've mentioned before that one of my favorite What's New with Phil & Dixie strips appeared in issue #65 of Dragon (September 1982). In it, Phil Foglio muses on the surprising similarities between fantasy and science fiction. It's a great comic and one I can still, more than forty years later, quote almost verbatim. While Foglio probably wasn't being entirely serious, one of the reasons the strip's humor lands is that there is more than a little truth to his flippant comparisons of these two supposedly distinct genres.
As a lifelong science fiction fan – take a drink! – I've observed how often many of my fellow fans have advanced the notion that science fiction is somehow more “serious” or at least more plausible than fantasy. There seems to be this unspoken assumption that science fiction possesses some kind of intellectual legitimacy that fantasy lacks, perhaps based on the idea that spaceships and robots are, in some meaningful way, closer to reality than dragons and sorcery. I understand the logic behind this perspective, but I simply don't find it convincing.
I obviously say this without any dislike of, let alone malice for, science fiction – quite the contrary. I'm a big fan of the genre, probably a bigger fan, in fact, than I am of fantasy. That's why I increasingly feel that the distinction between the two genres as they're commonly understood rests on a foundation that is far shakier than we'd like to admit. Science fiction, despite its name, is not really about science. It's simply another mode of storytelling and one that's rarely more plausible than fantasy. The difference between the two genres lies not in what is possible, but in what we are willing to believe.
To understand better what I mean here, it helps to take a look at the history of imaginative literature over the centuries. Human beings have always told stories about things that do not exist, whether they're spirits, enchanted forests, utopian societies, lost worlds, or journeys beyond the horizon of the known. These stories served many purposes, often religious, philosophical, and moral, but they all had one thing in common: they evoked the marvelous.
In the past, the marvelous was typically framed in explicitly supernatural terms, such as miracles or magic. These were the explanatory frameworks available to premodern people. A flying chariot was thus the purview of the sun god and immortality the product of drinking from a magic spring. To people living in earlier eras, that was explanation enough. However, as the intellectual climate started to change in the 16th and 17th centuries, the language of the marvelous changed with it. The old supernatural explanations lost their cultural authority, at least among the educated. In their place arose the new explanatory tools of reason, science, and technology.
Science fiction is, in the realm of imaginative literature, the heir to this cultural transformation. It takes the same fundamental human desire to imagine worlds beyond our own and to transcend our mortal limitations and clothes it in the language of Science. Instead of magic carpets, we have grav belts; instead of philosopher’s stones, we have nanotechnology; and so on. Yet, in most cases, these speculative future technologies are not meaningfully more plausible than their fantastical counterparts.
Faster-than-light travel, for example, is a staple of science fiction because it allows characters to visit other star systems on a human timescale. However, unless our understanding of physics is very wrong, FTL is almost certainly impossible. The same is true, in different ways, of many other common elements of sci-fi, such as artificial gravity, sentient robots, or force fields, never mind the routine colonization of distant planets.
I feel that we readily accept all these sci-fi concepts not because they are in any sense likely, but because they are framed in the language of science. That language carries cultural authority and that authority lends them the illusion of plausibility, even when the underlying ideas are, in fact, no more plausible than a wizard’s spell. The key difference between science fiction and fantasy, then, is not that one is "realistic" and the other is not. It is that they draw upon different sets of cultural assumptions.
In a society where belief in magic or the supernatural is widespread, stories of sorcery don't feel implausible. In a society shaped by centuries of scientific advances, stories framed in technological terms feel more credible, even when they stretch (or outright ignore) the limits of current knowledge. Most people today no longer believe in fairies, but we do believe, often without much reflection, that Science will one day solve nearly any problem. Consequently, we assume that, for example, interstellar travel or artificial intelligence are not merely imaginable, but inevitable.
This assumption is rarely examined, being simply an article of faith in the religion of Progress. Science fiction, at least it's popularly understood, taps into this faith. It reassures us that the future will be wondrous, because the universe will yield its secrets and our ingenuity will use those secrets to overcome all obstacles. Even when SF presents darker visions of the future, it still does so within the same overall framework that depicts technology as powerful, transformative, and, perhaps most important of all, central to human destiny.
Fantasy, by contrast, draws on different symbols, those derived from mythology and folklore. Its marvels are overtly impossible and, therefore, easier for contemporary audiences to dismiss as “mere” imagination. Nevertheless, the imaginative function of the two genres is remarkably similar. That's why I hope this post won't be read as a critique of science fiction, but rather as a celebration of the kinship between science fiction and fantasy.
Science fiction is not, in my opinion, diminished by being understood as a form of fantasy. On the contrary, it's elevated by placing it within a long and venerable tradition of imaginative storytelling that stretches back to mankind's earliest myths. It is one of the ways people today continue to grapple with the unknown, express our hopes and fears about the future, and explore questions that lie beyond the reach of empirical inquiry. Likewise, fantasy need not be defended as if it were secretly “realistic.” Its value lies precisely in its freedom from any such constraints.
Both genres, in their different ways, encourage us to imagine the world differently. They create spaces in which we can ask “what if?” without being bound too tightly to what actually is. If I can be a little mawkish, I'd day that fantasy, broadly defined, gives form to our dreams, our anxieties, and our aspirations. Whether the stories exploring these subjects is expressed through the language of magic or technology is, in the end, a secondary matter.
None of this is to say that science fiction cannot engage with real science or that it has not, at times, anticipated genuine technological developments. Anyone who's read science fiction, especially in its formative years, know that it has indeed done both and often done so brilliantly. However, I think it's worth remembering that, as a genre, it is no more bound by reality than fantasy. Its most enduringly popular images, like FTL starships and intelligent robots, are not predictions. They are myths for a technological age. To insist otherwise is to mistake the trappings of science fiction for its substance.



I largely agree, the only difference I see between Sci-fi and Fantasy is mostly the kind of stories authors chose to tell and how they go about telling them.
ReplyDeleteBy and large Fantasy authors seem to interest themselves with epic quests, absolute and abstract notions of good and evil, and consolatory power fantasies, in a very formulaic manner inherited by Tolkien.
The only exceptions seem to be authors who also write Sci-fi, curiously, or maybe not so curioisly.
Sci-fi authors, on the other hand, seem more interested in using their fantasies to "ask questions".
Although I started my "reading carreer" as a fantasy fan, in the long run I soured on 99% of the genre and ended up prefering sci-fi, which currently constitutes the majority of my library.
“It is not difficult to see why those who wish to visit strange regions in search of such beauty, awe, or terror as the actual world does not supply have increasingly been driven to other planets or other stars. It is the result of increasing geographical knowledge. The less known the real world is, the more plausibly your marvels can be located near at hand. As the area of knowledge spreads, you need to go further afield: like a man moving his house further and further out into the country as the new building estates catch him up. Thus in Grimm’s Marchen, stories told by peasants in wooded country, you need only walk an hour’s journey into the next forest to find a home for your witch or ogre.” --C. S. Lewis, "On Science Fiction"
ReplyDeleteBut also:
"In terms of the narrative geographies staked out by each of these genres, one might almost invoke analogs of the 'matters' first identified by the medieval French poet Jean Bodel: the matter of science fiction is the geography of reason; of horror, the geography of anxiety; of fantasy, the geography of desire." --Gary K. Wolfe, Evaporating Genres: Essays on Fantastic Literature
I generally agree, and I think both fantasy and science fiction are fundamentally starting from "the world as we know it" with just a few significant modifications. In the case of fantasy, the modification to reality is that "the myths and legends were true, and magic and monsters exist". In the case of science fiction, the usual "big" divergence from reality is the (usually unquestioned) assumption that energy and other resources are not limited, and therefore progress and expansion are inevitable.
ReplyDeleteI take your general point, but this comment is a bit strange: "perhaps based on the idea that spaceships and robots are, in some meaningful way, closer to reality than dragons and sorcery."
ReplyDeleteSpaceships and robots already, verifiably, exist. I've seen both with my own eyes.
I perhaps should have said "starships" and "sentient robots" or something like that.
DeleteSentient robots definitely aren't in the same category as artificial gravity or FTL. Current AI tech isn't truly intelligence as we understand it, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility in the sense of defying basic physics. Once you get true AI, having it inhabit a robotic shell will not be any great step at all unless the processing equipment is for sapience turns out to be ridiculous mass/power intensive - and even then an AI could just "drive" a properly-equipped robot like a drone.
DeleteDroids are a "haven't gotten there yet but no reason we couldn't someday" thing, unlike FTL, grav control, psionics, etc.
I can't remember who wrote that the vast gulfs between stars are God's quarantine. Many works of science fiction treat such distances much the same as driving across town.
ReplyDeleteSounds like C.S. Lewis from his Space Trilogy.
DeleteScience Fiction is less real than fantasy, and that's what makes it so good. At its best, it presents the architecture of something that feels real, but breaks the laws of nature.
ReplyDeleteIllustrations:
A) In the twentieth century, there is at least one - and a quite a famous one at that - known wizard war, complete with spell casters, thwarted acolytes, and psychic vampires between the white wizard William Butler Yeats (we even have candidates for the wording of the actual spells cast!) and the thoth-headed practitioner of Black Magick, Aleister Crowley. The Battle of Blythe Road. This is a historic event, with witnesses, that no one questions, despite no first hand media record.
B) Contrast this with the 1969 moon landing. This event was witnessed worldwide via media, and precisely because it was a media event, its veracity is doubted by a significant minority of people. After all, 2001: A Space Odyssey predated the moonlanding, and portrayed beautiful, plausible lunar landscape scenes. It was all done through creative architecture, models, artistry and decidedly earthbound camera tricks.
My literary theory about the difference, if there is one, between fantasy and science fiction, is this:
The literal world-view of fantasy fiction is that of the ancients: our world is flat (possibly a disk, possibly a square), set upon pillars (there is no 'vacuum' of space, only the world, its dome, a heaven, and its underworld and pillars.) The map is equidistant azimuthal, the full span of exploration and adventure is contained within the dome, and interaction with the supernatural realm "above" the dome is only via the whims and portals of the unseen realm (even "conjurors" are mimicking the inventions of the supernatural, not engineering technology of their own invention). The flat fantasy world is that of Ley Lines, Thin Places, gyres, grails and planes. Even if dragons have their "scientific" roots in dinosaurs, dragon's bones are tangible things known at least as far back as Marco Polo or Beowulf.
The world of science fiction is born out of the occult mystery religion of "the spheres." The world is spherical, the moon and sun are spherical, outside the world is an ever expanding sphere of the universe. Spheres within spheres, worlds within worlds.
Fantasy worlds are Pratchett's Discworld, Lee's Flat Earth, Tolkien's Middle Earth, or even the "galaxy far, far away" of Star Wars! (in Star Wars, gravity-bound, vacuumless and "always upright" ships traverse a thin, flat sea of space, using magical, unexplained propulsion technology to "planets" that never require circumnavigation around a sphere.)
Science Fiction, however draws its vision from the occult mystery school teachings. Ptolemaic sphericism of the planets is understood, not as reality, but as symbolic commune with the alien. 2001: A Space Odyssey, Foundation, Capricorn 1, The Three Body Problem illustrate the spherical, globular earth model that distinguishes the genre. Science fiction is much more likely to lean into the occult pantheons and practices: From Apollo to Jupiter, the zodiac, even the alien hand in evolution (such as Clarke's Monolith or the demons of Childhood's End.), or, more specifically the Clarke Belt around the equator of the sphere of the world!
Fantasy is rooted in "the pillars of the earth" and science fiction views the world as round.
I think weird fiction is the only genre that tries to harmonize the two oppositional world-views, and only succeeds as a genre, when it fails to harmonize them, and only then when it fails with art and wit and grace.
As Foglio indicates, fantasy and sci-fi are two sides of the same coin. One offers fantastic escapism in an imagined past. The other, in an imagined future. (Apparently, it's the present that we're escaping from.)
ReplyDeleteHis illustration of the humorous umbrage taken by fans of one side vs. the other is still reflected today by some of the comments in this thread.
Foglio was a genius.
Foglio's Girl Genius webcomic is also, as you say and as the title indicated, genius. Everything you loved about Phil's work lives on! Just thought I'd plug that.
DeleteThanks for the heads up!
DeleteWas a genius? Neither Foglio is dead, and Kaja is as much a contributor to their collective work as Phil has been over the years. It's as hard to tell who wrote exactly what with them as it is with Kuttner and Moore.
DeleteAnd if you haven't read Buck Godot (another earlier work from them) you should correct that immediately. Some very high-concept scifi bundled with the usual humorous shenanigans.
Heck, even their outright porn from XXXenophobe's a decent read.
Geniuses, the two of them.
I want to amplify something that Luigi wrote in the topmost comment. If the story is the same then substituting robots for golems, light sabers for enchanted swords, and spaceships for magic carpets is a superficial difference. But the two genre terms diverged, especially in the twentieth century, for less trivial reasons.
ReplyDeleteConsider the discussion in the SF Encyclopedia entry
https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/definitions_of_sf
and especially the quotes from John W. Campbell and Judith Merrill. A key demarcation from fantasy is the elevation of setting to ask what-ifs and explore their logical consequences.
Larry Niven has written a number of exemplars. Starting with “The Jigsaw Man”, he looked at the potential slippery slope of organ transplantation being successful for extending life. (The later Gil Hamilton stories are among his best.). The scientific plausibility gave this relevance it would have lacked if the supposition was, “What if human sacrifice allowed the creation of potions of extra healing?”
“Flatlander” exemplifies the story that poses a puzzle requiring knowledge of hard science to solve (in this case, the nature of the most unusual star system in reach from Known Space). A similar subgenre asks what it would be like to visit or live in some exotic locale.
“The Magic Goes Away” is also SF. The hypothesis here is that magic was real in our past but the energy source that powered it ran out. Of course this novel and its preceding fiction are about the Energy Crisis of the ‘70s, but hard science plays its role (e.g., in what would have been the outcome of the mad plan to renew the Earth’s mana that drove the plot). Other questions are also posed. For example, what would a god of love do with its power? Answer: selectively breed humans to worship it.
The opposite direction also holds: Star Wars is High Fantasy, just with a futuristic veneer.
Elevation of setting? What about Tolkien? Yes, he also elevated setting, but to immerse the reader rather than to explore hypotheses.
In fantasy a benefit accrues from the unexplainable. Consider the handling of magic in King Arthur Pendragon. And James, I believe you have expressed a preference for magic not to be treated as technology in RPGs. Is that not a distinguishing between fantasy and SF?
Please don’t take this as a dismissal of fantasy, nor a judgment between the two genres; just an observation that there are strains of SF distinct from fantasy (and vice versa, I assume) and reasons not to conflate them.
But they come from the same human urge. As Foglio indicates, fantasy and sci-fi are two sides of the same coin. One offers fantastic escapism in an imagined past. The other, in an imagined future.
DeleteThat we may one day reach the imagined future is irrelevant. For every lucky, accurate prediction from a future fantasist, there are more that never came to pass: personal flying cars, private jet packs, space tourism, manned trips to mars and beyond, moon colonies (hell, NASA is struggling to just *circle* the moon right now), supersonic commercial air travel (RIP Concorde), Tesla's dream of unlimited free energy, a global culture, a global language, population explosion ala Make Room, Make Room, population implosion, soylent green, nuclear holocaust, alien invasions (hell, humanoid aliens at all!), anti-aging pills, FTL travel, wormhole travel, Star Trek transporters, Star Trek food replicators, widespread use of virtual reality (RIP, metaverse), laser pistols, light sabers, zombie viruses, replicants, that machine in Blade Runner that lets you see around corners in a photograph, a spaceship that can carry thousands of people, etc, etc, etc.
If that was intended as a reply to my comment, the second paragraph is a non sequitur: I didn’t discuss predicting future technology or that prediction’s accuracy. My point was that major strains of SF handle setting differently than fantasy.
DeleteIf you really want to go reductionist, just quote Gene Wolfe:
“All novels are fantasies. Some are more honest about it.”
All fiction lies on sides of the same die. Some offer fantastic escapism in an imagined past. Others in an imagined future. The rest in an imagined present.
Hi Bonnacon,
DeleteIn 1967, Niven's "logical consequences" of organ transplants was that the government will kill us for our organs. Apparently, not very logical. Add it to the list of fantasies that never came true.
If "plausibility" creates "relevance," does the lack of plausibility render it irrelevant? Because this vision, and those I listed above, proved as implausible as magic spells and healing potions.
I'm with Foglio. Scifi fans doth protest too much about how very different their favorite genre is to Fantasy.
Happy for you not to live in a world where people worry about “slippery slopes” with things like assisted suicide or abortion. Niven wrote the story out of concern of just that, if democracies used organs from executed criminals. Luckily, in our world as far as I am aware only autocracies have done this (and at least one has done it at scale).
DeleteWhere did I write that SciFi is my favorite genre or that I prefer it to Fantasy? I enjoy Foglio’s comic too, and recall reading it in Dragon back in the day, but there’s a use to being able to perceive differences. The “speculative fiction” branch of SF is a meaningfully distinct part of fiction.
Perhaps we can more productively engage in a debate over whether to use one word for both blue and green:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction_in_language
Ha. I was unaware of that debate!
DeleteBlue and green are different.
But "speculative fiction" is a genre that includes fantasy stories. So respectfully, I don't think it can be used to distinguish between scifi and fantasy.
Hi, Etrimyn Cat,
DeleteWhat are examples of non-SF fantasy stories that you would regard as “speculative fiction”?
(ARGH, I meant to post this originally as a reply, not an independent comment.)
Hi. Fyi:
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speculative_fiction
"This catch-all genre includes, but is not limited to: fantasy..."
(Argh. Me too. James can you please delete my first version of this post, below?)
That’s a different definition than what I used in the post beginning this thread. My working definition would exclude the fantasy examples given in the Wikipedia article. What I mean by the term is aligned with Heinlein’s, Moorcock’s, and Merril’s in the first paragraph and a half of:
Deletehttps://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/speculative_fiction
This is the sort of “prescriptive” definition discussed as part of the SF Encyclopedia’s entry on “Fantasy”. The Wikipedia definition is the inverse discussed at the end of the SF Encyclopedia’s entry on “Speculative fiction”.
It seems your argument is with the dictionary.
Delete"spec·u·la·tive fic·tion
noun
a genre of fiction that encompasses works in which the setting is other than the real world, involving supernatural, futuristic, or other imagined elements."
I'll leave you to it!
What term would you use for what I (and Merril, Moorcock, Heinlein, etc.) mean by “speculative fiction”?
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ReplyDeleteI want more Luddite sci-fi. I've seen enough deformed techno-authoritarian man-child dreams tied to the Religion of Scientism manifest into the real world to be bored to death at this point.
ReplyDeleteThe supposed utopian/liberatory exercise of sci-fi and it's horde of nerds has led to more social alienation, more labor and an ever present paranoia with cameras everywhere - a cop in your pocket. Too cliche and cheesy.
Frankenstein's monster assassinating a young Charles Babbage, smashing looms, and meeting up with William Blake and Charles Fourier sounds a bit more interesting. Endarkenment over Enlightenment.
If sci-fi and fantasy is supposedly only bad, passive "escapism" like some mundane mental Gnostic Dualism (escape into your mind and leave the body behind to rot - like most modern media/tion) - it should be destroyed.